Church attendance is dropping because more and more people are starting to question the ridiculous and illogical underpinnings of religious beliefs which many have been force fed since birth.
I got a question for you Mak, is the guy who said this a Christian yes or no?
"The day of Southern guilt is over–THE SOUTH WAS RIGHT–and let us not forget that salient fact. NO APOLOGIES FOR SLAVERY should be made. In both the Old and New Testaments slavery is sanctioned and regulated according to God’s word. Thus, when practiced in accord with Holy Scripture, it is NOT A SIN. Our ancestors were not evil men because they held slaves. This issue is our Achilles Heel, and the only way to deal with it is to confront our accusers boldly and without guilt. After all, what we are really upholding is GOD’S WORD. Let us fear Him, and we’ll fear no man."
Do you think that slavery is in accordance to Holy Scripture? Obviously at some point your god liked slavery, Jesus certainly didn't bring it up so what does that say about them?
What's interesting is how their apparent approval of the practice is so in accordance with the attitude of time. Do you know that no one has ever found any writings from the ancient era that spoke out against slaver on the ground of morality? The only time slavery was the subject of controversy was when it was an economic issue. No jobs for citizens because the slaves worked cheaper, that sort of thing. At no point did anyone back then think slavery was wrong despite knowing it was bad.
So did we change your god's mind or did he change his?
Would you be friends with someone who kept slaves? Would you want the man who said the above at your church? Would you hang out with him outside of church?
I got a question for you Mak, is the guy who said this a Christian yes or no?
I’m quite sure it is someone calling h/himself a Christian. Otherwise someone like you wouldn't post it. =============
“Obviously at some point your god liked slavery”
I’ll answer your question but first answer mine. Why did God use murderers, adulterers, liars, con artists, cowards, drunks, cheats, womanisers, and yes slave holders to do his work? =================
Do you know that no one has ever found any writings from the ancient era that spoke out against slaver on the ground of morality?”
Oh my but that’s a stupid / ignorant thing to say. When I get an answer to the question above, and because I'm sure that you're interested in the truh, I'll help you out with this. ==================
Would you be friends with someone who kept slaves?
I’ve made a career of befriending people whose lifestyles I deplore. ============= Would you want the man who said the above at your church?
I would hope that no one is excluded from Church. We all walk through those doors depraved and desperately wicked. I'm no better than that man and neithe are you. I would also hope that at some point he would seek out the counsel of the Holy Spirit on this issue but it doesn’t sound like he’s there yet. ============== Would you hang out with him outside of church?
I wouldn’t reject him. Just like I wouldn’t reject you. ==================
Salvage, I know you wouldnt do anything as breathtakingly stupid as comparing slavery as mentioned in the Bible, IE Bondservice to the institution of slavery that existed in the antebellum south......would you?
"But since you know everything, how about giving us a heads-up on this."
You know I can't give you proof. I gotta keep ya guessing. I don't wanna destroy the faith.
Anyhoo, was American slavery like slavery in the Bible? In some ways yes, in some ways no. I added some psychological tricks to my slavery. I did did this thing where I go - "Yo, dude, you're free to stop being a slave eventually but you gotta leave your wife and children to the slavemaster!" It was pretty funny. I made the slaves bore a hole in their ear if they wanted to stay with their wife... but they had to stay a slave. LOL! Always it fine to beat a slave, they are your property, so why not?
>I’ll answer your question but first answer mine. Why did God use murderers, adulterers, liars, con artists, cowards, drunks, cheats, womanisers, and yes slave holders to do his work?
He didn’t, he doesn’t exist and if he were real he wouldn’t as a omibenevolent and omniscient being that you believe your god to be wouldn’t need helpers.
>Do you know that no one has ever found any writings from the ancient era that spoke out against slaver on the ground of morality?”
>Oh my but that’s a stupid / ignorant thing to say.
Why is that?
>When I get an answer to the question above, and because I'm sure that you're interested in the truh, I'll help you out with this.
But you’re not going to answer my question directly as evidenced by that really silly red herring.
Do you notice when you don’t want to answer a question you set up some sort of test that I must pass before you answer and then you don’t actually answer it? I’m pretty sure you aren’t consciously doing this but why don’t you think about why you do that?
>Would you be friends with someone who kept slaves?
>I’ve made a career of befriending people whose lifestyles I deplore.
And here’s another popular dodge, answering the question I did not ask.
I did not ask if you would befriend people whose lifestyles you deplore. I asked you, would you be friends with someone who kept slaves?
> I'm no better than that man and neithe are you.
Uh fuck you very much but I am most certainly better than a man who keeps slaves you silly, silly person.
>I would also hope that at some point he would seek out the counsel of the Holy Spirit on this issue but it doesn’t sound like he’s there yet.
He did and the Holy Spirit told him “Slavery is approved by your Lord” and if you don’t believe it it’s the Perfect Holy Bible.
>I wouldn’t reject him. Just like I wouldn’t reject you.
So you’d have Bob the slave-owner over for dinner? Wow.
What if he raped his slaves what then?
Still bowling on Tuesday?
What if he killed the older ones that couldn't work anymore, you do know that there is no such thing as a slavery retirement plan right?
>Salvage, I know you wouldnt do anything as breathtakingly stupid as comparing slavery as mentioned in the Bible, IE Bondservice to the institution of slavery that existed in the antebellum south......would you?
Ah JD, you ignorant slut you, no I wouldn’t as the Ancient version was far worse. See slaves mostly came from conquered people and the cool thing about that source is it never runs out, someone is always being conquered somewhere and the surviving population is sold off as slaves, usually by the soldiers as a sort of bonus pay. You’d have slaver caravans following the armies around so the troops could get their money straight away. Most slaves ended up in the mines, it was pretty simple system; you kept on digging and hauling till you died. Then your carcass was thrown into a fire and a new slave took your place as there would be fresh ones arriving daily.
See no overhead you don’t have to pay, feed or house you staff, very lucrative.
There was other ways to make money from slaves, one enterprising Roman general had a sort of brothel of slaves set up and he’d sell the offspring, many of them his own as slaves. He ran it all out of an entire apartment block he owned, retired very wealthy.
And no one back then really thought any of that morally wrong, even Spartacus didn’t actually revolt for freedom’s sake but for his own and he spent most of his freedom sacking towns. The only ones who ever revolted against the slavery system were the slaves. The people, the politicians and the clergy thought it all good and natural that the strong rule the weak.
Rather Darwinian.
I do get a kick out of slavery apologists; the antebellum version would say that their slavery was the benign one.
Here’s the reality you moron; THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS NICE SLAVERY.
Never.
Not one instance in all of human existence.
Slavery is inflicting pain upon another human being, keeping them living in weakness and fear until they no longer have use then they are killed because you don’t feed slaves out of kindness only;y necessity.
Read more than one book and maybe you’ll learn something.
But that’s how strong your delusion’s grip; you’ll even try and make the enslavement of a human being palatable rather than admit a flaw.
>I’ll answer your question but first answer mine. Why did God use murderers, adulterers, liars, con artists, cowards, drunks, cheats, womanisers, and yes slave holders to do his work?
“He didn’t exist,”
Oh really? I thought you said He commanded people to hold slaves. ==============
>Oh my but that’s a stupid / ignorant thing to say.
"Why is that?"
See tomorrow’s post. -----------------
"Do you notice when you don’t want to answer a question you set up some sort of test that I must pass before you answer”
No, I hadn’t noticed. Can you give me an example? ==============
“And here’s another popular dodge, answering the question I did not ask.”
I thought I did answer it. Ok try this. I would be kind and respectful but I suppose it’s difficult to be in a true friendship when you don’t have very little in common. ------------------
“Uh fuck you very much but I am most certainly better than a man who keeps slaves you silly, silly person.”
You’re more like him than you know. Just as he has a huge blind spot in thinking that the Bible condoned American style slavery, you have a huge blind spot in thinking that you’re better than other people. ---------------
He did and the Holy Spirit told him “Slavery is approved by your Lord” and if you don’t believe it it’s the Perfect Holy Bible.
If I owed Sal $2,000.00 back in the days of your slavery laws, and I didn't have $2,000.00 why did you tell the people to let me work it off for Sal instead of having me sell my children and / or wife into slavery?
Or since Sal hates slavery so much, how come you didn't just let me default on what I owed him?
If you were an Israelite I might let you default if it was Jubilee or something...
You should speak to my son about that one. He was always saying my laws were too harsh... "blah blah blah... picking up sticks on Sabbath -death ... talking back to your parents -death ... Almost anything -death." He's a bit wussy. Wears his hair a bit too long for my liking. You know how kids are.
"Do you notice when you don’t want to answer a question you set up some sort of test that I must pass before you answer”
No, I hadn’t noticed. Can you give me an example?
Are you really that stupid makarios or are you just trying to piss him off?
"I’ll answer your question but first answer mine. Why did God use murderers, adulterers, liars, con artists, cowards, drunks, cheats, womanisers, and yes slave holders to do his work?
There you go.
Salvage asked you a question, you refused until he answered your little test question.
"you have a huge blind spot in thinking that you’re better than other people."
I am better than men who like t spend their spare time raping babies. True or False, Mak?
No, you don't have it wrong. The only difference is time and circumstance. The propensity to do those things is in each and every one of us. You and I were just lucky to have not had their families their circumstances.
I've worked with child rapist Rab. To most people they are monsters and the consequences of their acts truly are montrous. But think about it. What if you were sexually attracted to children? You aren't but not because of effort. You simply aren't attracted to them and it requires no struggle on your part to not have sex with children.
For most paedophiles, not all (LAMBDA comes to mind) but for most, it's a horrible, horrible way to live. They are disgusted by who they are.
In fact, one of the most troubling things for me, in my interactions with atheists is their near total inability to recognise the depths of their depravity.
I hear from paedophiles the exact same line I hear from homosexuals. "This is the way I was born. I’ve never been attracted to anyone but children."
I’m just saying that a little humility and gratefulness for your own situation would be more appropriate than such a self-righteous indignation over someone whose struggles are different than yours.
I may have told you this already but I'm going to tell it again.
True Story: At one of the Nuremberg trials, a Jewish survivor of a concentration camp was listening in as one of the men who had been responsible for the death of this Jew's family was on trial.
During a break in the trial, a reporter noticed tears streaming down the face of this Jewish man. The reporter asked if these were tears of rage. The Jew replied, "these tears are because I can see that the evil that resides in that Nazi, resides also in me."
Mak, there is a big difference between somebody who is attracted to children, and someone who then follows through with the act of raping an infant. I can accept if someone has an uncontrollable attraction to children, but to degrade, scar and rob a child of their innocence for your own personal satisfaction involves crossing a line.
My comment stands; I am a better person than someone who rapes children. Fact.
I'm not being self-righteous at all. If you think i am no better than a child-rapist then you have serious mental health issues.
What are you talking about Rab? You know, more and more I could swear that you read someone else's blog and then and comment here. That's how much sense you make.
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Church attendance is dropping because more and more people are starting to question the ridiculous and illogical underpinnings of religious beliefs which many have been force fed since birth.
Chuch attendance is dropping and TAM is posting replies more frequently - Coincidence? I think not.
I got a question for you Mak, is the guy who said this a Christian yes or no?
"The day of Southern guilt is over–THE SOUTH WAS RIGHT–and let us not forget that salient fact. NO APOLOGIES FOR SLAVERY should be made. In both the Old and New Testaments slavery is sanctioned and regulated according to God’s word. Thus, when practiced in accord with Holy Scripture, it is NOT A SIN. Our ancestors were not evil men because they held slaves. This issue is our Achilles Heel, and the only way to deal with it is to confront our accusers boldly and without guilt. After all, what we are really upholding is GOD’S WORD. Let us fear Him, and we’ll fear no man."
Do you think that slavery is in accordance to Holy Scripture? Obviously at some point your god liked slavery, Jesus certainly didn't bring it up so what does that say about them?
What's interesting is how their apparent approval of the practice is so in accordance with the attitude of time. Do you know that no one has ever found any writings from the ancient era that spoke out against slaver on the ground of morality? The only time slavery was the subject of controversy was when it was an economic issue. No jobs for citizens because the slaves worked cheaper, that sort of thing. At no point did anyone back then think slavery was wrong despite knowing it was bad.
So did we change your god's mind or did he change his?
Would you be friends with someone who kept slaves? Would you want the man who said the above at your church? Would you hang out with him outside of church?
The frequency of my posts is directly proportional to the amount of bs you try to serve here.
I got a question for you Mak, is the guy who said this a Christian yes or no?
I’m quite sure it is someone calling h/himself a Christian. Otherwise someone like you wouldn't post it.
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“Obviously at some point your god liked slavery”
I’ll answer your question but first answer mine. Why did God use murderers, adulterers, liars, con artists, cowards, drunks, cheats, womanisers, and yes slave holders to do his work?
=================
Do you know that no one has ever found any writings from the ancient era that spoke out against slaver on the ground of morality?”
Oh my but that’s a stupid / ignorant thing to say. When I get an answer to the question above, and because I'm sure that you're interested in the truh, I'll help you out with this.
==================
Would you be friends with someone who kept slaves?
I’ve made a career of befriending people whose lifestyles I deplore.
=============
Would you want the man who said the above at your church?
I would hope that no one is excluded from Church. We all walk through those doors depraved and desperately wicked. I'm no better than that man and neithe are you.
I would also hope that at some point he would seek out the counsel of the Holy Spirit on this issue but it doesn’t sound like he’s there yet.
==============
Would you hang out with him outside of church?
I wouldn’t reject him. Just like I wouldn’t reject you.
==================
Salvage, I know you wouldnt do anything as breathtakingly stupid as comparing slavery as mentioned in the Bible, IE Bondservice to the institution of slavery that existed in the antebellum south......would you?
Oh I walked into that one.
I think he'd like to do exactly that.
How about it 777? Were the instition of slavery as it existed in the antebellum south and bondservice as mentioned in the Bible the same things?
Ya, god, I'm going to post on it as soon as Sal answers my question. But since you know everything, how about giving us a heads-up on this.
"But since you know everything, how about giving us a heads-up on this."
You know I can't give you proof. I gotta keep ya guessing. I don't wanna destroy the faith.
Anyhoo, was American slavery like slavery in the Bible? In some ways yes, in some ways no. I added some psychological tricks to my slavery. I did did this thing where I go - "Yo, dude, you're free to stop being a slave eventually but you gotta leave your wife and children to the slavemaster!" It was pretty funny. I made the slaves bore a hole in their ear if they wanted to stay with their wife... but they had to stay a slave. LOL! Always it fine to beat a slave, they are your property, so why not?
>I’ll answer your question but first answer mine. Why did God use murderers, adulterers, liars, con artists, cowards, drunks, cheats, womanisers, and yes slave holders to do his work?
He didn’t, he doesn’t exist and if he were real he wouldn’t as a omibenevolent and omniscient being that you believe your god to be wouldn’t need helpers.
>Do you know that no one has ever found any writings from the ancient era that spoke out against slaver on the ground of morality?”
>Oh my but that’s a stupid / ignorant thing to say.
Why is that?
>When I get an answer to the question above, and because I'm sure that you're interested in the truh, I'll help you out with this.
But you’re not going to answer my question directly as evidenced by that really silly red herring.
Do you notice when you don’t want to answer a question you set up some sort of test that I must pass before you answer and then you don’t actually answer it? I’m pretty sure you aren’t consciously doing this but why don’t you think about why you do that?
>Would you be friends with someone who kept slaves?
>I’ve made a career of befriending people whose lifestyles I deplore.
And here’s another popular dodge, answering the question I did not ask.
I did not ask if you would befriend people whose lifestyles you deplore. I asked you, would you be friends with someone who kept slaves?
> I'm no better than that man and neithe are you.
Uh fuck you very much but I am most certainly better than a man who keeps slaves you silly, silly person.
>I would also hope that at some point he would seek out the counsel of the Holy Spirit on this issue but it doesn’t sound like he’s there yet.
He did and the Holy Spirit told him “Slavery is approved by your Lord” and if you don’t believe it it’s the Perfect Holy Bible.
>Would you hang out with him outside of church?
>I wouldn’t reject him. Just like I wouldn’t reject you.
So you’d have Bob the slave-owner over for dinner? Wow.
What if he raped his slaves what then?
Still bowling on Tuesday?
What if he killed the older ones that couldn't work anymore, you do know that there is no such thing as a slavery retirement plan right?
>Salvage, I know you wouldnt do anything as breathtakingly stupid as comparing slavery as mentioned in the Bible, IE Bondservice to the institution of slavery that existed in the antebellum south......would you?
Ah JD, you ignorant slut you, no I wouldn’t as the Ancient version was far worse. See slaves mostly came from conquered people and the cool thing about that source is it never runs out, someone is always being conquered somewhere and the surviving population is sold off as slaves, usually by the soldiers as a sort of bonus pay. You’d have slaver caravans following the armies around so the troops could get their money straight away. Most slaves ended up in the mines, it was pretty simple system; you kept on digging and hauling till you died. Then your carcass was thrown into a fire and a new slave took your place as there would be fresh ones arriving daily.
See no overhead you don’t have to pay, feed or house you staff, very lucrative.
There was other ways to make money from slaves, one enterprising Roman general had a sort of brothel of slaves set up and he’d sell the offspring, many of them his own as slaves. He ran it all out of an entire apartment block he owned, retired very wealthy.
And no one back then really thought any of that morally wrong, even Spartacus didn’t actually revolt for freedom’s sake but for his own and he spent most of his freedom sacking towns. The only ones who ever revolted against the slavery system were the slaves. The people, the politicians and the clergy thought it all good and natural that the strong rule the weak.
Rather Darwinian.
I do get a kick out of slavery apologists; the antebellum version would say that their slavery was the benign one.
Here’s the reality you moron; THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS NICE SLAVERY.
Never.
Not one instance in all of human existence.
Slavery is inflicting pain upon another human being, keeping them living in weakness and fear until they no longer have use then they are killed because you don’t feed slaves out of kindness only;y necessity.
Read more than one book and maybe you’ll learn something.
But that’s how strong your delusion’s grip; you’ll even try and make the enslavement of a human being palatable rather than admit a flaw.
>I’ll answer your question but first answer mine. Why did God use murderers, adulterers, liars, con artists, cowards, drunks, cheats, womanisers, and yes slave holders to do his work?
“He didn’t exist,”
Oh really? I thought you said He commanded people to hold slaves.
==============
>Oh my but that’s a stupid / ignorant thing to say.
"Why is that?"
See tomorrow’s post.
-----------------
"Do you notice when you don’t want to answer a question you set up some sort of test that I must pass before you answer”
No, I hadn’t noticed. Can you give me an example?
==============
“And here’s another popular dodge, answering the question I did not ask.”
I thought I did answer it. Ok try this. I would be kind and respectful but I suppose it’s difficult to be in a true friendship when you don’t have very little in common.
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“Uh fuck you very much but I am most certainly better than a man who keeps slaves you silly, silly person.”
You’re more like him than you know. Just as he has a huge blind spot in thinking that the Bible condoned American style slavery, you have a huge blind spot in thinking that you’re better than other people.
---------------
He did and the Holy Spirit told him “Slavery is approved by your Lord” and if you don’t believe it it’s the Perfect Holy Bible.
See tomorrow’s post.
Here’s the reality you moron; THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS NICE SLAVERY.
What do you find more appealing Sal, people living for years on Welfare, or people doing work to “earn” their support?
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Free welfare of course. Why would you want to punish the poor? Did you read that book I sent down there to the earth?
If I owed Sal $2,000.00 back in the days of your slavery laws, and I didn't have $2,000.00 why did you tell the people to let me work it off for Sal instead of having me sell my children and / or wife into slavery?
Or since Sal hates slavery so much, how come you didn't just let me default on what I owed him?
If you were an Israelite I might let you default if it was Jubilee or something...
You should speak to my son about that one. He was always saying my laws were too harsh... "blah blah blah... picking up sticks on Sabbath -death ... talking back to your parents -death ... Almost anything -death." He's a bit wussy. Wears his hair a bit too long for my liking. You know how kids are.
I have say 7 that I'm beginnng to find you slightly amusing :-) I hope that doesn't offend.
"Do you notice when you don’t want to answer a question you set up some sort of test that I must pass before you answer”
No, I hadn’t noticed. Can you give me an example?
Are you really that stupid makarios or are you just trying to piss him off?
"I’ll answer your question but first answer mine. Why did God use murderers, adulterers, liars, con artists, cowards, drunks, cheats, womanisers, and yes slave holders to do his work?
There you go.
Salvage asked you a question, you refused until he answered your little test question.
"you have a huge blind spot in thinking that you’re better than other people."
I am better than men who like t spend their spare time raping babies. True or False, Mak?
According to you, False. Do I have that wrong?
No, you don't have it wrong. The only difference is time and circumstance. The propensity to do those things is in each and every one of us. You and I were just lucky to have not had their families their circumstances.
I've worked with child rapist Rab. To most people they are monsters and the consequences of their acts truly are montrous. But think about it. What if you were sexually attracted to children? You aren't but not because of effort. You simply aren't attracted to them and it requires no struggle on your part to not have sex with children.
For most paedophiles, not all (LAMBDA comes to mind) but for most, it's a horrible, horrible way to live. They are disgusted by who they are.
In fact, one of the most troubling things for me, in my interactions with atheists is their near total inability to recognise the depths of their depravity.
I hear from paedophiles the exact same line I hear from homosexuals. "This is the way I was born. I’ve never been attracted to anyone but children."
I’m just saying that a little humility and gratefulness for your own situation would be more appropriate than such a self-righteous indignation over someone whose struggles are different than yours.
I may have told you this already but I'm going to tell it again.
True Story:
At one of the Nuremberg trials, a Jewish survivor of a concentration camp was listening in as one of the men who had been responsible for the death of this Jew's family was on trial.
During a break in the trial, a reporter noticed tears streaming down the face of this Jewish man. The reporter asked if these were tears of rage. The Jew replied, "these tears are because I can see that the evil that resides in that Nazi, resides also in me."
Mak, there is a big difference between somebody who is attracted to children, and someone who then follows through with the act of raping an infant. I can accept if someone has an uncontrollable attraction to children, but to degrade, scar and rob a child of their innocence for your own personal satisfaction involves crossing a line.
My comment stands; I am a better person than someone who rapes children. Fact.
I'm not being self-righteous at all. If you think i am no better than a child-rapist then you have serious mental health issues.
Rab - I'm just glad that you're able to control your urges. And I admire your honesty. Not everyone is willing to be so open in such a public domain.
You disgust me.
I've got a good mind to report this.
What are you talking about Rab? You know, more and more I could swear that you read someone else's blog and then and comment here. That's how much sense you make.
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