Friday, October 23, 2009

“A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question.”

British astrophysicist, Fred Hoyle

11 comments:

JD Curtis said...

“A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature.

No. You see Mak, it was unguided forces of magic that produced these results. Baaa-ha-ha-ha

Makarios said...

Oh, it gets even better. Have you seen the PZ video making the rounds or read SmartLX comment on one of my posts? They are both explaining to us Christian dolts, how complexity arises by chance, not by design. By way of explanation, LX says that a can of paint that throws itself at a wall can make a really complex design.

In his video, Myers spends about the first seven minutes mocking and ridiculing Christians because they think the complex design of a cell requires a Designer. How does he refute such a silly thought? Myers shows a huge pile of driftwood that has been blown by the wind and the waves into a complex design on the beach. And then PZ compares this pile of driftwood to the living cell and says, “See? You don’t need a designer to have a complex design.”

I don’t know where LX falls but PZ is one of atheisms most intelligent spokespersons and he compares a pile of sticks to a human cell and sees similarity. Yikes!

Marcus Wellington said...

Athiests will be found to be without excuse on Judgment Day.

The whole universe testifies God's Creation!

PZ - idiot or demon possessed? and myers sounds like a jew name too so I'm going with demon possessed.

Keep up the good fight Mak. Don't let the athiests, jews, and islamists get you down.

JD Curtis said...

PZ? PZ Myers? The dolt who had the "social autism" to have his fans send him a consecrated communion host so he could defile it? What a complete loser and in so many ways. Did you hear that he chickened out and ran away when Vox Day recently offered to debate him in the area of his expertise, evolution? What a wuss.

Check this site out when you get a chance Mak, www.signatureinthecell.com . It's definately worth it.

Hugo said...

Hey Marcus you should join the guys at KKK you have a lot in common perhaps.

@JD
The link you posted showed a great video! It was an accurate description of how cells replication works using fantastic graphics. I would have love to see that on TV in HD ;D

It's funny to then realize that it's supposed to be proof of an intelligent designer...

Since when does every new discovery become a proof of intelligent design? We just better understand how cells work, better than any other people before us!

This comes from the idea of irreducible complexity.

Proponents of intelligent design try to find parts of the human body that could not have evolved naturally. They try to find irreducible systems.

They only came up with examples, no peer-reviewed paper, no contribution to the science of biology.

The examples turn out to be now easy to explain... the eye, the bacteria flagellum, the organs, our senses, etc... even the brain!

JD Curtis said...

It's funny to then realize that it's supposed to be proof of an intelligent designer...

More of a "Competing Theory" than "proof".

The examples turn out to be now easy to explain... the eye, the bacteria flagellum, the organs, our senses, etc... even the brain!

And just what are the competing theories for blood clotting, homing and the Bombadier Beetle these days along with the Venus Flytrap?

Chris Mackey said...

The Bombadier Beetle?
(More detail here )

And blood clotting?

JD Curtis said...

Thanks for the (predictably lame) talkorigins links Chris.

In your next post could you try and work the words "magic" and "sky god" into the wording and see if you can hit the atheist trifecta?

Hugo said...

JD: More of a "Competing Theory" than "proof".

No, it's not a competing theory, as it gives no explanation.

We have these complex biological entities that we see today and only the Theory of Evolution can explain how they came to be the way they are.

Intelligent design on the other simply say: "Look, it's complex, it cannot have evolved, it must be designed!" It's an argument from ignorance and does not even try to explain anything.

If you have a better definition for ID, let me know, I am still waiting...

In other words, how can the fact that there is a designer help us understand why living things are the way they are? Can ID do that? What does ID do to help us understand the living world?

what are the competing theories for blood clotting, homing and the Bombadier Beetle these days along with the Venus Flytrap?

Chris posted links to Talk Origin which in turn quote other sources. Of course JD you are too lazy to go look for yourself, correct? You seem to be open minded and want to learn but at the same time you simply say that a link from TalkOorigins is predictably lame...

Yet, you have nothing to say about it. You did not point any flaws. Instead you answered to Chris:

"In your next post could you try and work the words "magic" and "sky god" into the wording and see if you can hit the atheist trifecta? "

Magic, sky god, and atheist. Three things not related at all with the current discussion. Great.

Again, JD, I keep asking you this: What don't you understand in the Theory of Evolution? Or, if you think you understand it, how is ID better at explaining the diversity of life on Earth?

Finally, on a slightly different note, perhaps you should consider the fact that if life was designed, including humans, we are among the worst designs a mind could ever think of... same hole to breath and eat, eyes designed backward, senses worse than many animals, and so on... the only thing we have which is truly amazing is our intelligence. A small detail but the most important of all of course!

JD Curtis said...

you should consider the fact that if life was designed, including humans, we are among the worst designs a mind could ever think of

Opinion. Subjective.

it's not a competing theory, as it gives no explanation.

That something of intelligence ordered certain systems.

how can the fact that there is a designer help us understand why living things are the way they are? Can ID do that?

I doubt it. It primarily examines the complexity of systems and then determines the probability that it could arise by chance or prely naturalistic means.

Hugo said...

HUGO: you should consider the fact that if life was designed, including humans, we are among the worst designs a mind could ever think of
JD: Opinion. Subjective.

Hum, yes, lol...
So you don't agree with my opinion? Anything to say about it? You think that if the human body were to be considered as a man-made machine it would be a good design?
You would be a terrible engineer if you think so!


HUGO: it's not a competing theory, as it gives no explanation.
JD: That something of intelligence ordered certain systems.

You call that an explanation? What's wrong with you? We have these complex systems, and all you can say is "look, they must have been made by an intelligent agent"... why do you think so? Oh because they are so complex... but we do have an alternative that explain how they evolve. Nah, that's bullshit, we'll just say that they were designed. Ok, but how then? I don't know!

Actually, your answer was:
JD: It primarily examines the complexity of systems and then determines the probability that it could arise by chance or prely naturalistic means.

Which brings us back to my main point concerning ID, it's not even a competing theory, it's useless, and people who support it are ignorant.

Why ignorant? Because you brought up the chance factor again... everything that evolves does it for a "reason", not a "purpose" as if there was a plan, but a "reason" as to adapt themselves to the environment. Yes the mutations are random, but that's because life is not perfect, and never will be. No magic there, just a slow evolutionary process that we try to understand more and more everyday