“Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanation, no matter how counterintuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover that materialism is absolute for we cannot allow a divine foot in the door.”
darwinist, Richard Lewontin, “Billions and Billions of Demons,” 31
As I saw in the series on Intelligent Design, beginning with the post “Nothing Did It” http://makarios-makarios.blogspot.com/2009/12/nothing-did-it.html
darwinists have defined science in such a way that the only possible answer to the information in DNA is materialism. This is not because what we observe leads us to believe that specific instructions come from random acts of mutation. They don’t. As Lewontin has confessed and as every atheist in the world knows, their commitment to materialism is a philosophical decision in search of evidence.
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As Lewontin has confessed and as every atheist in the world knows, their commitment to materialism is a philosophical decision in search of evidence.
Really? YOU know what EVERY atheist in the world knows? Oh so believing in an omniscient god makes you omniscient? :P
Anyway, I like the way you wrote "has confessed" as if it was a terrible secret that people are tying to hide... oh no, I don't want people to think that I deny the existence of the supernatural, what would people think...?
Ya, confessed - like "a self-confessed atheist." I couldn't think of anything more inflamatory.
"EVERY atheist in the world knows?"
Well, there are probably some atheists with non existent self-awareness.
darwinists have defined science in such a way that the only possible answer to the information in DNA is materialism.
You've defined "specified information" as "only coming from intelligences". You pretend not to know the difference between Shannon information and Kolmogorov information.
as every atheist in the world knows
I get it. You say something stupid or inflammatory and you get attention.
Only an uneducated god-soaked moron would call a biologist a "darwinist". Biologists are called "biologists".
Gorth:
I’m defining information between two people as, “The communication or reception of knowledge or intelligence.”
I`m defining information found in biological organisms and / or developed by Intelligent Agents as , “the attribute inherent in, and communicated by alternative sequences or arrangements of something that produces specific effects.”
Both definitions are from Webster’s English Dictionary."
What part of this is difficult for you to understand, Gorth?
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"You've defined "specified information" as "only coming from intelligences".
Without using DNA, RNA and proteins (since we disagree on that) give me an example of where specified formulated information DOESN'T come from and Intellient Agent.
"All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?"
Mackey, I tried Monty Python once before, Mak is immune to our humor.
"I tried Monty Python once before, Mak is immune to our humor."
Easy now. I can take you mocking Jesus and denying the existence of our Creator, but you'd better go easy on Monty Python - one of the few truly funny acts on the planet.
Chris: It’s true. I didn’t know you were trying to be funny. It's MY opinion that DNA, RNA and proteins contain examples of specified, formulated information.
To Gorth and others just as stunned it's not specified information, it’s just biological gunk that for some reason makes life possible. It's also my opinion that specified formulated information does not appear aside from the aide of an Intelligent Agent(s).
Since Gorth refuses to accept the awe inspiring amount and specificity of information in DNA, RNA and proteins that's present in each an every cell, as anything more than gunk, I've asked for "other" examples of specified, formulated information that has not come about by an Intelligent Agent(s).
Because there aren't any examples, all Gorth can do is what all atheists like Ape Boy do - present more bluff and bluster and hope the issue will just go away.
It's MY opinion that DNA, RNA and proteins contain examples of specified, formulated information.
You've been presented with information on how nature can produce what we call information.
So when you say "Without using DNA, RNA and proteins give me an example of where specified formulated information DOESN'T come from and Intellient Agent." you are ignoring some of the greatest examples.
Just like the scene in "Life of Brian" where they ask "What have the Roman's ever done for us?"
Read the comment on the false conflation of information with ascribed meaning.
Since Gorth refuses to accept the awe inspiring amount and specificity of information in DNA, RNA and proteins that's present in each an every cell, as anything more than gunk,
You're are either deliberately misstating or are mistaken on Gorth's position.
Because there aren't any examples, all Gorth can do is what all atheists like Ape Boy do - present more bluff and bluster and hope the issue will just go away.
What issue? The issue of information has been explained. Have you even read the replies to your previous posts?
gorth comes from haiti and is got to be some kind of voodoo darkie but he could be write about one thing. Makarios focusing on science instead of Christ Jesus. The one tyhing that everyone really needs to focus on.
The Bible says that everyman is a believer. THERE ARE NO ATHIESTS.
His invisible attributes are clearly seen - so that they are without excuse.LISTEN. the fool has said in his heart there is no God.
Marcus, I miss your comments. I find them to be representative of the Christian community that so rarely figures out how to get online.
Chris: “You've been presented with information on how nature can produce what we call information.”
Don’t be ridiculous. All that’s been presented is speculation based on experiments run by Intelligent Agents with a pre determined end result.
. Intelligent Designers are the ones who enable self-replication to proceed.
Marcus: With out Jesus / God there would be no Matter, no Space, no Laws of physics - no Science. Science is nothing if not the search for cause and Creator is the Cause, even of science itself. Yes Jesus is of utmost import but life has many different aspects of interest, science being one of them.
. Intelligent Designers are the ones who select molecules that have a slightly enhanced ligase capacity.
. Intelligent Designers are the ones that preserve the optimal molecules.
. Intelligent Designers are the ones that enrich the molecules by repeated selection and amplification.
. Intelligent Designers are the ones who intervene before any of the other ways that polymerases perform.
. Intelligent Designers are the ones who anticipate the future function in a way that is not possible in nature.
. Intelligent Designers are the ones who choose RNA sequences knowing beforehand the required condition to bring about self-replication.
And then they say, "Look! Life could have arisen by natural means."
That, Chrish is the atheist influence on science. True science, pure science, science uncontaminated by atheist bias could never make such a statement. Under the bigoted drive to eliminate Creator God, that is the only statement that is allowed, "Nature Did It" because nothing but nature exists.
I find that profoundly sad.
None of this foresight is present in nature.
There is no Intelligent selector or replicator in nature.
Apart from an Intelligent Agent, no molecule capable of acting as a replicator would have existed in the early stages of RNA growth.
Ribozyme engineering experiments show the power of Intelligent Agents to produce the results these supposedly Intelligent Agents say happened naturally.
Makarios, can I ask you a question? Have you been tested for mental illness?
That wasn't meant to be rude, I'm just asking.
Brilliant - Brilliant come back Z.
Is that a question you don't want to answer?
It's a stupid question Z because I don't believe for one second that it wasn't meant to be rude.
As part of my work I've taken many personality assessments many times and I assure you I check out as perfectly sane and sober.
Thanks.
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