Here's an interesting note on the sex trade in America. According to atheist Tristan Vick we should combat this with an increase in pornography.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/OPINION/11/25/carr.human.trafficking/index.html
Correction: Tristan I truly am sorry for the above statement. It was said in the heat of the moment and to the best of my knowledge there is no truth to it. My comment was careless, thoughtless and potentially harmful to your reputation. Again, I was wrong and my suggestion above was baseless.
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Wow, I read this about an hour ago, and had to sit on it. This is absolutely insane, and so unethical.
For someone, who appears, to be a good person (with the children that you take care of, etc), this is a very alarming behaviour. This is absolute slander, and this insinuation makes me question your ability to empathize with others. In fact, this is downright sociopathic. Here is the definition in case you do not understand what I am saying.
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Perhaps, I will reframe this for you in terms you understand a little more clearly. Way to emulate and reflect the good and honest love of "The Creator" and JC.... Here is what your creator says about this-
"Whoever secretly slanders his neighbor, him I will destroy" (Bible verse Psalm 101:5).
Satan started gossip. Jesus Christ said, "He was a murderer from the beginning" (John 8:44). Satan probably used gossip to assassinate God in the eyes of one third of the angels, causing them to rebel (Bible verse Revelation 12:4). Jesus also revealed that Satan is a lying slanderer: "For he is a liar and the father of it" (Bible verse John 8:4).
I would suggest that you start praying soon.
I would suggest you go write your book. Apparently you missed all the evidence that Tristan presented to prove how great pornography is.
I would suggest you go write your book. Apparently you missed all the evidence that Tristan presented to prove how great pornography is. According to Tristan, porn literally saves the lives of women and children.
No, I did not. I read that thread. I understand how this manipulation occurred. I would suggest that you go back to school.
And to church.... You need it.
I actually was part of that thread, and I brought in statistics about Christian media printing many reports of being concerned about usage of pornography among believers, which you ignored. You would not know because you are not concerned with any type of factual information.
In no part of the discussion was child pornography discussed, which is part of your accusation.
Ah, so you make a distinction do you? Adult porn good, child porn bad? Is that the way it works in atheist world?
Ok, Rod. You disgust me. There is something wrong with you. You are worse than Marcus. I hope Tristan sues you for slander.
So you too think there is a difference b/t adult porn and child porn? Adult is good, child is bad? That's really morally responsible, ya? A real social conscience? THAT is what's sick. But then that's atheists for you. Declare that what you're doing is good and then, Ta Da! "I don't need God in order to be a good person."
The ability to consent.
Tristan why don't you help us out here. Does porn save all kinds of lives or only adult lives? Do you distinguish b/t different types of porn? This is good porn. That kind of pornography is not quite as good. And that porn is not good at all. I suppose snuff videos aren't too good because, well, a life is actually taken and not saved, but tell us won't you, Tristan? What's your favourite type of pornography?
According to atheist Tristan Vick we should combat this with an increase in child pornography.
Where did he say this?
tell us won't you, Tristan? What's your favourite type of pornography?
I think it's hilarious the depths you'll sink to.
If someone wrote something like
"Rod Holmgren uses the Bible to justify wanting to rape his retarded children!", you'd think they were evil. And he you are trying it on someone else!
I love it when people who think they have the moral high ground prove they most certainly do not.
Thanks Gorth. The atheist with selective morality indicates that “consent” is the measuring stick between good and bad. And at what age Gorth? You think that a 12year old can’t give consent? How about a 10 year old? He's offered 10 dollars that will supply food for his family. All he has to do is let some filthy jerk take pictures of him giving someone a blow job. You think that 10 year old can't consent to making 10 dollars?
Does it differ from country to country, Gorth? You think that a 14year old in America is as mature as a 14 in Taiwan?
Never mind all that. What you are saying, in your profound ignorance is this. A child who has been emotionally, and sexually abused grows up and "consents" to further degradation and abuse as an adult and that makes it all ok - because, according to Gorth, she can give consent.
I say shame on every one of you. Once again it is the Christian who alone is trying to defend women from those who live by survival of the most powerful.
Atheists, giving verbal support for the degrading of those most damaged by life. Priceless.
You think that a 12year old can’t give consent?
A 12 year old can not give consent. And neither can a ten year old.
Does it differ from country to country, Gorth? You think that a 14year old in America is as mature as a 14 in Taiwan?
In my opinion, and this is just my opinion, a 21 year old in the rest of North American is not as mature as a 18 year old in Haiti.
Never mind all that.
Then why say it?
... grows up and "consents" to further degradation and abuse as an adult and that makes it all ok - because, according to Gorth, she can give consent.
So what you are saying is this - Adult women can not give consent. Rod/Makarios knows how women should act. No, MUST act.
What are you going to want next? Women in burquas?
I don't watch porn but not all porn is "abuse".
Once again it is the Christian who alone is trying to defend women...
Islam and the KKK use the same phrase.
Were the Christians against Women's Suffrage trying to defend women against voting?
To me, Makarios has the same mentality as the slave traders.
HE knows what's best for adult women and HE knows how adult women should act.
beaten by gorth. should have typed quicker.
Makarios knows? I know exactly what the hundreds and hundreds of prostitutes and those in the porn industry with whom I've worked have told me. And I can tell you absolutely that their "consent" is no consent at all. Because of childhood sexual and emotional abuse all these women know is sexual degradation at the hands of men. All they know to survive is to allow men to use them and abuse them sexually.
And here you are, the free thinking atheists in all your wisdom, actually believing that porn has something to do with freedom. Even the women who post here are willing o turn on other women. If it might help make a case against a Chistian, anyone is expendable.
I find it disgusting.
According to you, raping a child is just as bad as a white lie. I find that disgusting.
Biblegod is a defender of women?
A god who declares little virgin girl children are war booty?
Who gives rules like an unmarried rape victim must marry her rapist?
That men can divorce women on the spot and men are holy if they stay away from women?
A god whose spokesmen says "Women should talk to husbands in fear"?
and "Women should learn in silence in all subjection"?
A god who says man is the head of the woman and only man is in the image and glory of God?
Mak- you are absolutely disgusting. The fact that you do not listen to my reaction, that you are not apologetic for such an evil and cruel implication further lends creed to my sociopathic theory. I would never make any type of suggestion like that. What you have done is offensive and evil.
I am the only woman who posts on here, to my knowledge, and I have never turned on any woman. I have never condoned pornography, the only discussion piece that I have ever contributed is pointing out that Christians have an alarming rate of usage, which you conveniently ignored. Instead you tried to get me to disclose my personal opinion, which I blatantly refused to do. You have no idea how I feel about it, nor would I ever give you the privilege of knowing my personal position on it.
You are sick, and you need help. I really hope that Tristan calls his lawyer on you. Maybe that is why he has not responded. I do not know how you can sleep at night knowing that you posted such terrible lies about someone. And, you have the nerve to call yourself a counseller? Wow. How Christian of you.
Psalms 109:2, "For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue."
The poroblem is Mak that its you thats bending the truth here,Tristian never mentioned pornography of children.And you know very well what he was talking about was very different to what you are trying to suggest .Its a sad thing that faith is involved in such deceitfulness, but still deceit and faith have always gone hand in hand really havent they.
Suppose its to be expected.
When we even see today how faith is often quite happy to be involved in bending the truth of matters if need be to suit the following.
Its quite easy to see how such deceit could just as likely have been quite happily used also,to turn a cult leader named jesus into being said to have supposedly been somebody who even was risen from the dead.
that's atheists for you. Declare that what you're doing is good and then, Ta Da! "I don't need God in order to be a good person."
I almost fell out of my chair when I read this. Because it's TRUE!
Biblegod is a defender of women?
" "Christ was never quoted as saying anything demeaning or derogatory to women. Women in Greek days could hardly leave their homes. When her husband had guests over, she was not even allowed to sit in the same room. Their status was extremely low among the Romans, where the father of the family had the power of life and death, even over his wife. "In [the Gospel of] John, Chapter Four, Jesus was asked what he was doing talking to a woman in public, as you only talked with prostitutes in public. When he taught Mary and Martha in Luke 10, that was a behavior you did not do with women. "Christianity also nullified polygamy, as Jesus made it clear a man has one wife. If a Greek man was walking about outside with a woman, that was his mistress, not his wife. Christianity also made it clear widows were to be taken care of."" Link
"Tristian never mentioned pornography of children. And you know very well what he was talking about was very different to what you are trying to suggest"
Really? Did you see that child Porn was exempt from the sources he cited? Perhaps it was but I didn't see it. Porn is porn is porn.
I explained to you why the kind of adults involved in the making of porn are no more able to give consent than are children.
Porn is destructive to both the viewer and the people involved in making it. Tristan seems to believe that porn is actually good for society. I disagree.
On the other hand, each of you is right and I was wrong. Tristan did not specifically mention child porn. And, just because I think that porn is porn is porn, it is quite obvious that atheists, in general are very selective about what is right and what is wrong.
I was wrong, Tristan. You didn’t mention child porn and it was wrong of me to suggest that’s what you might have meant.
It took 25 comments for you to see that you were wrong.... Not good, you should have been ashamed of yourself when you saw how I initially reacted. What you have implied is very serious. And, I have no hope that you will not do it again. History has shown that you continue making the same mistakes.
If someone would have accused me of being unethical, cruel and lying about another human being who has done nothing to you other than attempt to clarify your gross misconceptions on my blog, I would have probably shut it down. I would sit down and think "Clearly, this is not good for me because it is bringing bad stuff out in me", and that would have been it.
Case in point- faith makes people sociopathic. I said this to you earlier and you shot me down. I do not do stuff like this because I have to life with how it feels. You clearly think that all we need to hear is an apology and its over. This is what prayer does to people. Makes you mean. And, you claim that JC has brought some much joy to your life. Smells like lies to me.
Makarios, I must report your blog for libel. If it gets shut down I'm sorry.
I did not say pornography was great. I pointed out an accredited (official) study which shows a link between a decrease in sex crimes with any modern sex industry as related to my professional area of research.
Second, I didn't say anything about sex trade or human trafficking.
You've broken the law, you've lied, and you deliberately besmirched my name for whatever agenda you may have.
Consider yourself reported and flagged.
I urge all of you to flag this little twerp and liar too.
Good day!
Oh, one more thing Mr. Rod Holmgren, you're the perfect example of why I am no longer a Christian.
Although I'm well within my right to press legal charges, I will not.
Considering you have a wife and family, I shall show some moral sense, and spare you the hassle.
Never say an atheist never did anything kind or compassionate, even graciously "Christian," for a person as undeserving as you.
Peace out.
@ Tristan- Do not be sorry for anything. If it gets shut down, he earned it. Funny thing is, he is so sociopathic and twisted in his lies that he will not see that you are well within your rights to charge him.
“I would sit down and think . . .”
If only some day I can be like you.
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“I said this to you earlier and you shot me down.”
Shot you down? Hmm, I was trying to ignore you.
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Can we all agree that pornography is stupid? Would anyone like to argue in favor of pornography? One would have to be dumb to do so.
YOU HAVE NO APOLOGY TO TRISTAN!!!!!!!!!!
That is all that I am going to say.
"That is all that I am going to say."
I doubt that.
I didn't flag this page because Rod choose to edit it.
Porn is porn is porn.
The original post said "child porn". Why did you say that? Because "porn" was not offensive enough. That shows that you really do know pornography with consenting adults is different than child pornography.
"I explained to you why the kind of adults involved in the making of porn are no more able to give consent than are children."
Because of the hundreds of prostitutes you say you know? Give me a break. You are a grown up, right? And like all people, bad things have presumably happened to you in the past. How would you like the government saying you had lost the ability to consent and think for yourself because of your past?
Black people can not consent to a job because they were forced to be slaves in the past?
It sounds like you have a real hatred of women, a real desire to keep them down, that you disguise as "protection". Women are not subhuman.
Tristan scared him- he changed the posting. There is the perfect way to deal with it.
You should not bother with me. You have done an awful thing.
An apology after 40 comments. That should have happened when you read how I interpreted what you wrote. No matter what you do, you cannot make what you did right. We all told you, and you did not listen. You just keep trying to argue porn with all of us.
I do not believe you. I believe that you are saying that you are sorry because you are afraid of the consequences of your actions. What heat of the moment? This was days after the initial thread.
"a real desire to keep them down,"
You think working in the porn industry is a step up?
Are you admitting you do want to keep women down?
Wow, you guys really are sociopathic and crazy.
Do you think, that after seeing the way that Tristan's words were twisted and manipulated into absolute evil accusations, I would ever dare to make any of my personal feelings and beliefs ever known on this blog? Do you think that I want to be next in line, subject to someone who could not retract an accusation of promoting child pornography until 40 comments had come his way? Do you guys think that I am stupid? I unfortunately, have alot to lose in this life. And, I unlike you take accusations very seriously.
There is no way I would ever make my opinion known, I said it earlier, I will say it again. I have already been accused of turning my back on women just by not answering the question. I really hope that Tristan gets you shut down.
TB, wasn't it you that promised to go away? Let me see. Oh yes. Here it is.
"That is all that I am going to say"
Like I predicted. You just prattle on and on.
Reread, oh wait, you only read what you want too.
I am out of here. Unfortunately, there is nothing for me to learn here. Just lies, lies, and lies.
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