Wednesday, November 18, 2009

Isaiah 11:2-4 - The Spirit of the Lord will rest on him - The Spirit of wisdom, of understanding, of counsel, of power, of knowledge. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears; but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.

31 comments:

The Atheist Missionary said...

Good morning! It's time to play the Bible quoting game. I love Isaiah:

Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

Isaiah 14:21-22 (KJV)

Killing kids for the sins of their parents? That's Yahweh's way - Hallelujah!

Makarios said...

"I don't like how my Creator does things so I'll pretend that He doesn't exist." TAM

Chris Mackey said...

"Killing kids for things their fathers did is ok with me." Makarios.

Makarios said...

The sins of the fathers are always visited upon the children. Those who died on 9/11 died for the greed of big American business that ravage poorer mostly Muslim countries. Children born with HIV die for the lusts of the fathers. Children are born into poverty because of the addictions of their fathers. Isaiah is describing the consequences about to befall a nation that has ignored God and filled its borders with corruption and violence.

It’s called consequences / reality.

The opposite of the utopia that atheists envision, i.e., a life without consequences.

The Atheist Missionary said...

Mak, you are one sick puppy.

matthew said...

Makarios, did you eat paint chips as a kid? Children born with HIV die because of an immune deficiency syndrome. Primitive goat herding nomads from Iron-age Palestine assumed that diseases were punishment from god because they knew less than metric-fuck-all about microbiology. It's 2009, time to crack open some science and know a thing or two about a thing or two. You have internet access, so your ignorance is absolutely unforgivable.

I'm going to take a wild guess here and assume that you get your ideas about the natural world from the KJV Bible. Try reading from a more qualified source before saying people with disease "die for the lusts of the fathers." You won't find any science to support that statement. If we had a cure, we'd use it, and reserve moral judgments.

Didn't someone in the bible say that you will be judge in accordance with how you judge others? hmm... "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

If your god is so great, don't let your kids wear seatbelts, after all, god's will be done.

Shawn said...

Oh, I have a quote too.

Genesis 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

If there's a mob outside your house, offer to let them gang-rape your two daughters!

We know from

2 Peter 2:7,8 7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

...that Lot was a just man. So we know that the bible tells us that it's 'just' to hand over your daughters to be gang-raped.

No thanks. If that's what the bible holds up as 'righteous' then you can keep it. Frankly, it makes me sick. If it doesn't make you sick, then there's something seriously wrong with you.

Anonymous said...

I should email my friend about this.

Makarios said...

Not punishment - Consequences. Children who die from HIV do so because of the behaviour of their parent(s).

Shawn said...

"Children who die from HIV do so because of the behaviour of their parent(s)."

You're incredibly ignorant about how HIV is transmitted. What about Leukemia? Do children who die of Leukemia die because of the behavior of their parents?

Makarios said...

Of course not. What a stupid comparison! The mother is infected either by her own actions or those of her partner. When the child is born to an HIV positive mother, the child may contract HIV h/herself. How is that NOT a result of the parent(s) behaviours?

Shawn said...

The comparison isn't stupid, your reasoning is! You're making a moral issue out of an infection.

When a child catches a cold and passes it on to its mother, should we conclude that the immoral actions of the child caused the mother's sickness?

Of course not. Viruses and bacteria make people sick. I assume you're implying that sexual intercourse is the only way to contract HIV which is incorrect.

Taking your reasoning further. If these 'lusty fathers' practice safe sex and proper handling of biohazards and don't acquire HIV, is that god's way of saying the father's behavior is just?

Those who died on 9/11 died because of a bunch of religious people who thought they would get lots of virgins in heaven if they killed the infidels, not because of some sin somebody's father committed.

Many, many children born into poverty are born into families that cannot afford to have another child because their parents follow a religion that tells them that it's a sin to use birth control. Far more people have been born into poverty because of religion that because of drug addiction.

Another thing; atheists don't 'envision a world without consequences', we merely live in a world without gods. By the way, you also live in a world without gods. Your god is not making or even allowing people to get sick - your god is not causing natural disasters. Those are the events in the natural world that have nothing to do with some magical, invisible being.

When atheists act in an ethical way, they do it for the sake of goodness realizing that there are consequences to their actions, not out of fear of punishment or expectation of a reward from some imaginary friend.

Before casting aspersions on atheists, maybe you should learn about what it actually means to be an atheist!

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