The atheist case for a multi verse:
We know that a multi verse exists because unless Creator God exists, there is no other way to explain the universe beginning to exist, from nothing, without an external cause.
We know that a multi verse exists because unless Creator God exists, there is no other way to explain life coming from non life.
We know that a multi verse exists because unless Creator God exists, there is no other way to explain specified, formulated, coded, information in the fist living cell.
We know that a multi verse exists because unless Creator God exists, there is no other way to explain 150 exquisitely and finely tuned constants and qualities - whose only relation to each other is its need for life on earth - all in place at Planck Time (10^-43 second).
We know that a multi verse exists because unless Creator God is infinite and eternal, there is no other way to explain the existence of Matter being infinite and eternal, which, along with all the points above is impossible.
And since atheists have a priori decided that Creator God does not exist, there MUST be an infinite number of universes so that one of those universes can be our universe where the impossible is actually NOT impossible.
So, obviously, this is how atheists know that a multi verse or an infinite number of universes exist - like - duh!
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So atheists believe in every interesting idea every concocted? "If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything," is that it?
Sorry, you're just arguing with yourself. I would be shocked if anyone even remotely qualified to discuss multiverses would deign themselves to bother commenting, so you'll have to settle for my snide remarks.
So, I take this to mean you believe in many gods? The Bible names others... Baal, Mammon, Apollo (to name a few). You aren't calling the Bible a liar, are you?
Makarios, signs of God once again. Yesterday on the bus I read an article in the NewScientist that discussed the possibility of multiverses!
I found the online version here, but I do not know up to where you can read for free... so here's a nice part for you that love numbers:
"So just how many of these different universes can inflation's quantum fluctuations produce? According to Linde and Vanchurin, the total is about 10^10^10,000,000 - that's a 10 raised to a number ending with 10 million zeros (arxiv.org/abs/0910.1589). Suddenly string theory's multiverse of 10^500 universes is looking rather claustrophobic."
By the way, that's not something I believe in... that's not something I would claim exists... but I do find that more appealing and promising than a Creator God who explains sweet nothing.
Like I said . . .
Well you're not explaining anything with your Creator God so ya, like you said, anything else is equally satisfying or better, nothing can be worse I think...
But if you're happy with your Goddidit as usual, that's your problem.
Keep exposing your projection syndrome and claim that atheists are the ones who are willing to believe anything else than a creator god only because they want to deny its existence, while in reality you are the one who prefers to stick with a non-answer as an answer.
150 exquisitely and finely tuned constants and qualities - whose only relation to each other is its need for life on earth
It's cute that you think the entire universe was "tuned" to produce life on earth.
Unlike atheism, my world-view does not force me to understand life as being without meaning and context and purpose. I don't see life as one huge accident. I don't see myself as just a mix of chemical interactions whose only goal is to replicate my genes.
My life counts for something and I believe that it was meant to be that way. You find it cute. I find it profound, wonderful, exciting, amazing.
Yay! Jesus built a universe just for you!
Meaning and purpose are what you make it.
I find reality exciting and amazing, --yes even without magic and invisible supermen that build universes just for you.
It's super cute when you say things like "Dr Luke wrote..." like in the other post.
;-)
LOL, ya, Makarios is definitely becoming cute to watch.
So, your life has meaning because your imaginary friend told you so? Great, I did not need that...
What an idiot...
Ok, well I guess I am done here. There is simply no talking to this guy and he just made the ultimate strawman argument: claiming that atheists see no meaning in life. What a douche.
Take care Rod, and I'll see you all on other blogs I am sure...
"atheists see no meaning in life."
I never said that. Atheists "see" meaning and purpose but they are stolen from the Christian world view.
Z said, "Meaning and purpose are what you make it." That is wrong. To be correct what he should have said is, "On atheism, meaning and purpose are what you make UP."
On atheism there IS no ultimate meaning and purpose. You're an accident. You don't have free will to choose to do this or that.
On atheism, the "I" of Hugo, or Z, or Ginx, or Gorth is nothing but an illusion.
On atheism human beings are nothing more than a mass of firing neurons and biochemical exchanges. Naturalism and materialism can allow for nothing else.
On atheism, you are nothing but an accident of nature; simple chance.
What ever you do comes to a final end and you, the entity today known as Hugo, or Z, or Ginx, or Gorth will disappear forever and ever, just a though you never existed in the first place. Even the memory of you stops with your grandchildren.
After that - nothing.
Your tracks will be covered and no one will ever know that you'd passed this way.
What atheists call purpose are mearly distractions that come before and unltimate end. Remove the distractions and an atheist's life is NOTHING - unless, like I said, s/he steals meaning and purpose and context from the Christian culture in which they were raised.
Like one atheists blogger stated honestly - The purpose of my life is, "Where can I put my cock?"
We keep our rooster separated except for when a rooster is required to provide fertilized eggs for hatching.
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