Saturday, January 9, 2010

I Could Never Do That

“I don’t even know his last name.” That was the theme of a country song on the radio a month or two ago. It’s about a woman taking home a man from the bar and in the morning she’s feeling (hee hee) naughty because she didn’t even know his last name.

In an age of HIV / AID’s I think the promotion (hee hee) of that kind of life-style is criminal. It wouldn’t matter if she knew his full name and family history. She was having sex with a man she’d just met - Bad Idea!

And that is why I could never be a disc jockey. The lifestyles described in secular music, if followed (“I love their songs because they describe life as it is.”) will virtually guarantee

. broken relationships,

. children being raised by multiple “uncles”,

. a life of never knowing real love and

. unhappiness

while living a chronic pattern of using others and being used by others.

Love, according to those geniuses in the secular world is described by “If the person that you want to fuck is cute, and rich and desired by others then, like, you’re in love."

To make sure that it's true love and not just infatuation, look for telltale signs of love like, possessive, controlling behaviours, or the sometimes hard to recognise greed / need / lust combination. True love the kind promoted by celebrities is jealous and obsessive and absent of the freedom promoted by the religious. Of course love is sex but most of all true secular love is based on impulse and defies all rational self-control. Really all you need to find love in the secular world is to be emotionally stunted and sexually disoriented.

Probably ten years ago, or so, I was riding with a couple staff to a meeting when a certain song came on the radio. With a “Oh I love this song” she turned it up. It was that song “Every where you go. Every move you make, every breath you take, I’ll be watching you.” A love song, Pfft!

I mentioned that it sounded like a theme song for stalkers. This mental health counsellor, for the first time, saw that song in a light other than obsession = love.

At this very moment my four-year-old is down stairs singing to Band Hero, “Do you want to be my lover . . .”

I could never be a disc jockey forcing / indoctrinating the most vulnerable among us with secular values.


Ginx said...

*sigh* Where to begin... I suppose, as Sherlocke Holmes suggests, the best place would be the beginning.

Country music is full of depictions of morally questionable acts, going back to Loretta Lynn. There's even songs like Tammy Wynette's "Stand By Your Man," which promotes unhealthy relationships.

"In the age of HIV / AID's" [actually AIDS, as the "s" is part of the acronym] Far more people die in car accidents than from STD's, but I don't see any righteough indignation regarding wreckless driving (like the rock classic "I Can't Drive 55").

Also, please check yourself and your "secularism" garbage. Most of these arists are Christians, especially in country. Being "secular" (which merely means seperating church and government) has nothing to do with any of the things you try to pin on it. Maybe what you mean is shallow, materialistic, or just simply "American."

Another thing you need to remember (as I know you are aware) is that divorce is not inherently "wrong." It's wrong to get married anticipating a divorce, and divorce is not desirable, but many divorces need to happen. It is often worse for the people involved to be forced to remain together.

The song you're referring to is either "Every Breath You Take" by the Police, or "I'll Be Missing You" by Puff Daddy (where he "samples" the Police version, i.e. rips it off with permission). The Police version is about a stalker, and the Puff Daddy version is about a dead person, possibly looking down on the performers.

*sigh* Alright, now that I went point by point, I just want to say that you need to understand art. Not all art is the depiction of the ideal. Often, art depicts us at our weakest moments, often illustrating the consequences of our actions. Even the song about the girl who doesn't remember his last name is reinforcing YOUR values, which is to say she consciously realizes she did a bad thing.

I don't see the problem, even though I think you would find I have very similar views on relationships.

Makarios said...

I don't see the problem"

I was going to end the post with something like, "I doubt that atheists would see any problems with this," but wasn't in the mood for the generalisation thing.

Makarios said...

Oh, and thanks for the 's thing on AIDS. Of course it should be S.

Anonymous said...

American culture is toxic.

Ginx said...

Just something to ponder:

In 1650, 1/3rd of women were pregnant when married in America.

Puritans my ass.

Makarios said...

morally questionable acts”

What does that mean, Ginx?
I don't see any righteough indignation regarding wreckless driving"

You mean other than laws and prison sentences and groups like MADD formed by parents who’ve had they children killed by drunk / reckless drivers?

“Most of these arists are Christians,”

And your definition of a Christian is?

The Police version is about a stalker,"


Ginx said...

Also, I'm trying to say that depicting actions (especially with consequences) does not glorify them. The Bible is full of bad examples and the outcome of those decisions (usually with unusually supernatural punishments).

Kit 10 said...

Even so-called "Christian" music is infected with this. I think the time to honestly give thought the music bans is now. Plato said when the music of a society changes there should be laws to govern those changes.

LENIN said the quickest and easiest way to undermine a society IS THROUGH ITS MUSIC.

Ginx said...

Morally questionable acts, like stealing someone's man, cheating on your man, threatening to kill someone who fucks your man... all are the common topic of country songs.

"This is one of the most misinterpreted songs ever. It is about an obsessive stalker, but it sounds like a love song. Some people even used it as their wedding song. Sting wrote it after separating from his first wife, Frances Tomelty."

A Christian is anyone who believes Christ is God. Just because they aren't good enough Christians for you doesn't mean they are NOT secular.

Mak, you don't know a damn thing about anything. Seriously.

Gorth Satana said...

The Police version is about a stalker,"


Sting told BBC Radio 2, "I think the song is very, very sinister and ugly and people have misinterpreted it as being a gentle, little love song."

Sting said:
I think I was thinking of Big Brother, surveillance and control.

I like this quote:
"One couple told me 'Oh we love that song; it was the main song played at our wedding!' I thought, 'Well, good luck.'"


Gorth Satana said...

Ginx is quicker than me.

Makarios said...

Ginx: Morally questionable acts,

I’ve been told by many, many atheists that moral guidelines are whatever you make them. Are we being exposed here to a glimpse of Ginx’ version of right and wrong?

Sting wrote it after separating from his first wife, Frances Tomelty."

So who’s the stalker?

A Christian is anyone who believes Christ is God.

That makes sense. So satan is a Christian.

Gorth Satana said...

So who’s the stalker?

Not sure if you are serious...

Let's just go with Wiki de:
A Christian is a person who adheres to Christianity, an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, who Christians believe is the Messiah (the Christ in Greek-derived terminology) prophesied in the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible, and the Son of God.

Makarios said...

When Ginx said that Sting wrote the song right after the breakup with Frances, it sounded like the creation of the song was tied to the breakup. Not so?

As well, the lyrics of the song are sooooo in line with how artists typically portray love and, I believe, experience love that I'm suspicious of Sting's comments to the BBC. Sounds to me as though he was just covering his tracks when he realised just how pathetic his love song lyrics really were.

Let's just go with Wiki de:"
A Christian is a person who adheres to Christianity."

We can go with that. I would fill it out a bit with:

A Christian is someone who believes and acts upon what Jesus Christ taught about Himself, about life, death, sin, forgiveness and the resurrection (His and ours).

Jesus taught that a follower of His is a person who depends upon Jesus alone for salvation. He taught that a Christian is someone who depends upon what Jesus calls His Word (The Bible), and upon His Spirit for guidance and strength in daily living.

Anyhow while understanding that atheists believe that most murderers and whatnot are Christians (because that's what they check off on the intake form and hey, would a criminal lie?), given the definition of Christian given by yourself Gorth and me, I'm thinking that the comment by Ginx,

"Most of these arists are Christians,"

really is a bit of a stretch.

His Lordship The Gun-Toting Atheist said...

Secular music is a pretty broad category. You're lumping 50 Cents together with Beethoven. Not very fair. I might as well lump church psalms together with pagan death metal under the label "religious music". Although Amon Amarth rocks a lot more than church music does.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, you know sooo much more about Sting than Sting.
When it came out and Sting said he was shocked Americans thought it was a love song he really was just trying to cover the fact his lyrics were bad. Right. This is like how you know sooo much more about science than scientists.

Every vow you break
Every smile you fake
I'll be watching you

Ginx said...

Christian 1 a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ

You are judging people on whether they are "Christian," or more acrurately "good Christians." This is particularly un-Christian of you, so if your definition is correct... allow me to be the first to welcome you to the secular brotherhood. Orgies begin promptly at 11pm in the Hula Lounge, and remember to wear a mask so it looks really creepy to outsiders who may see us.

Gutless said...

Oh come on Ginx, Rod is the one who gets to decide who's Christian and who's not.

Live OPEN said...

Real Christians = The Jesus Christians.

Beliefs and teachings

* God will provide the material needs of people who stop working for money, and dedicate their lives to obeying the teachings of Jesus

(Luke 6:46, 12:22-23, 16:13, Matthew 6:24). (21. "A Unique Teaching", circa 1996)[2]

* Jesus expects his followers to give up all their worldly wealth (Luke 12:33, 14:33). ("How to Be Saved")[3]
* Jesus (not the Bible) is the Word of God. Although holy writings may be inspired, they are all fallible. ("The Word of God", August, 1995)[4]
* Jesus never established water baptism as a form of sacrament, nor did he ordain other sacraments as such. ("Water Baptism", January, 1991)[5] ("I Will Have Mercy", March, 1998)
* Beliefs about the doctrine of the Trinity are of little consequence. ("Father and Son--Two for One", January, 1994)
* The teachings of Jesus should be the basis of faith, not religious traditions. ("We Believe in Jesus Christ", circa 2000)[6]
* Non-Christians can be saved on the basis of their faith in God, even if they have never heard of Jesus. This was made possible through the death of Jesus on the cross. See Universalism.
* Sincerity is more important than being theologically correct. ("The Good Hindu")[7] ("In Search of Truth", November, 1986)[8]
* The return of Jesus is likely to occur soon, although not until after the Great Tribulation. ("Signs of the Times", June, 1986)[9]
* Christians will judge the world after Jesus returns, and Jesus will reign over the world for a thousand years.[10][11]
* There are spiritual advantages to remaining single; however marriage is not forbidden even though it is regarded as an inferior option to celibacy.[12]
* There is nothing sinful about masturbation. ("Wanking, the Last Taboo") [33]
* When an individual rejects the teachings of Jesus, they are in fact rejecting God.[13]
* Technology which will one day be used to implement the "Mark of the Beast", is on the earth now in the form of subdermal RFID chips.[14]

[edit] Practices

Members forsake all private ownership, handing over all of their earthly possessions to the Jesus Christian community. ("Forsaking All", from Jesus and Money)[15] The group teaches that all members must have equal say in how funds are to be used. ("Power--Good or Evil",[16] and "Setting Up Your Own Community"[17]) Although there have rarely been more than 30 members of the community, in 2005, the community was broken up into two and three-person teams, with equal portions of the group's funds going to each member. Those teams continue to function autonomously, although members occasionally transfer by mutual consent from one team to another.

Ginx said...

Real Christians are the ones who exist, fake Christians are all the people churches make up to inflate their numbers.

Gutless said...

Yeah, you know sooo much more about Sting than Sting.
When it came out and Sting said he was shocked Americans thought it was a love song he really was just trying to cover the fact his lyrics were bad. Right. This is like how you know sooo much more about science than scientists


Makarios said...

"Lord we healed in your name and cast out demons in your name and sang wonderful songs in your name. . ."

"Get away from Me. I never knew you."

Makarios said...

I don't think that I know more about science than scientists. I think that I follow the evidence of science more than atheists do.

Makarios said...

Note To Self: Don't touch their music nor their concept that obsessive / dependency is love.

Ginx said...


I don't even like Sting, I just saw Genesis on "Storytellers" or something.

You know who I do like? Kurt Cobain, and I joined in with you on mocking his wife, even though she's a drug addict, so making fun of her is almost as sad as she is.

You're justing fucking retarded, Mak. You write without looking outside your first impulse, which makes your arguments childlike and littered with errors.

Ginx said...

Your problem, Mak, is that you take a stance from a place of ignorance and then relentlessly defend it. Your inability to accept the artist's intent, even his acknowledgement that many stupid Americans have misunderstood it to be a love song, is a perfect metaphor for your stance on evolution.

You can lead Mak to the fountain of knowledge, but you sure as hell can't make him think.

Makarios said...

The secular people that I'm talking about, Ginx, are those who want, not JUST separation of Church and State (which is absolutely the only way to go) but separation from God - period. Like yourself for example.

Ginx said...

... that's not secular, that's atheistic or non-theistic or agnostic or any number of other things.

Most American music is performed by Christians (no doubt since they statistically represent a large portion of the population), and it is usually of a secular theme (in that it's largely non-religious). However, you will find an abundance of terms like "soul" and "heaven," though us atheists don't mind any more than you mind a reference to being struck by Cupid's arrow. Art is an expression of beauty, it is sad that you would maliciously scour it for ill intent.

Makarios said...

Most American music is performed by Christians

There isn't the most of anything that is made up of Christians, ginx, not even the Christian Church. Mt.7:13,14. Christianity in America is from ocean to ocean and about 1mm deep.

Art is an expression of beauty,

Art? Yes. Secular entertainment industry which turns out most of the crap you call art is an expression of greed.

Gorth Satana said...

You know who I do like? Kurt Cobain,

As long as we are talking about our musical preferences, I like Fela Kuti and have been listening to Los Yabar Juniors lately.

Secular entertainment industry which turns out most of the crap you call art is an expression of greed.

Maybe American culture. Other lands have their own entertainment industries that can be very different.

Makarios said...

Ya, the love of money and the willingness to screw people over to get it only happens here. Mmm, hmm.

Ginx said...

Why don't you write a post about the rampant greed and how it tends to be atheist communists who are the loudest opponents, not the Christian business men in several thousand dollar suits.

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