Saturday, January 2, 2010

Evidence Equals?

Atheists say, Because there is no evidence for God, He therefore does not exist. Yet

Atheists believe in a multi verse even though there is no evidence of any kind for its existence.

When you're drowning, apparently you'll grasp at anything, do anything, say anything.

11 comments:

Gorth Satana said...

Atheists believe in a multi verse even though there is no evidence of any kind for its existence.

Some scientists hypothesize a multiverse. The vast majority of atheists have probably never heard of it, they just don't believe in gods.

I see no evidence of gods therefore I don't believe in gods. This is different from making a positive claim that gods don't exist.

Makarios said...

What kind of evidence would you expect to see for it to be evidence of God's existence?

Ginx said...

It depends on the god. If you said your god was the sun, I would believe your god existed, since I see it daily. I might question if its a god or not, but at least I know its there.

If you ask what evidence is required for a god who is the omnipotent, omniscient creator of all things as attested in the Bible, I'd be shocked if a being of such magnitudinous power and influence left absolutely no trace of its existence. I'd be even more shocked if the stories about that god suggest miracles, audible communication, visible signs, and general breakage of the laws of nature as common hallmarks of the deity, yet none of these things seem to occur when I'm around (or during the age of video).

I guess I've just a doubting Thomas. Maybe they wrote that story just for people like me (and not to discredit Thomas).

Makarios said...

“It depends on the god.”

Ya, Ginx. We’re talking about a sun god.
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“but at least I know its there.”

So nothing exists unless Ginx can see it. How scientific of you.
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“I'd be shocked if a being of such magnitudinous power and influence left absolutely no trace of its existence.”

"No on is without excuse. For the heavens (the universe) declare His handiwork (His existence)"
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“I'd be even more shocked if the stories about that god suggest miracles,”

Jesus said, “You don’t need to believe that I Am God because I say so, but you should believe that I Am God because of what I do.”

Why would He say that? Because what He was doing was clearly outside the laws of physics. The things that He was doing were clearly beyond slight of hand.

Those people knew that water doesn’t change into wine.

Those people knew that diseases don’t disappear at the command of a word.

Those people knew that nature itself doesn’t change on command.

Those people especially knew that dead people don’t come back to life again by natural means.

Something totally other was happening on earth when Jesus was here.

A God who wants to communicate His existence WOULD without a doubt communicate with visible signs and the manipulation of the laws of nature which came into existence at His command in the first place.

Ginx said...

A God who wants to communicate His existence WOULD without a doubt communicate with visible signs and the manipulation of the laws of nature which came into existence at His command in the first place.

Sorry, I studied magic (and commercial advertising, both arts of deception) for years, and most of those miracles are pretty unimpressive. Are you aware of how many magicians and sorcerors of that time brought people back from the dead? I suggest reading a book called "Arcana Mundi," which catalogues various other cults and mythologized figures of the time period.

You forgot walking on water... which was only witnessed by his followers (who by the way, have every reason to lie).

The heavens show time and again a complexity far exceeding that described in the Bible. The firmament's creation deserves only one day? With all its galaxies, stars, planets, comets and exotic matter (not to mention a complete lack of a firmament)? The world outside our own is far more exciting than Christianity ever led us to believe. This oversight is almost proof in itself of God's non-existence and man's humble and unimportant place in the universe.

Hugo said...

Ginx had a very good point when he replied "It depends on the god", I don't see why it seemed to amuse you Makarios. Once again, the unshakable faith in that one particular god of yours makes any other definition of a god utterly irrelevant...

Hugo said...

Hey by the way, how do you like the Devil's bath I got to see in New Zealand? That was such an amazing encounter, I mean... the bath of overlord Himself, right there, in front of my eyes, such a touching moment. They also had the Devil's inkpot that was used to write the evil elbiB.

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