Wednesday, July 8, 2009

Oxymorons and Atheism

Rational atheism; Common Sense Atheism. These are just two of several contradictory terms that atheists use to begin their posts. I told an atheist, not long ago that atheism is illogical, inaccurate, incoherent and absurd. She turned this around and said the same about Christianity. Point made, in my mind. Most atheists have simply not thought through the implications of what they say they believe.

Christianity - the philosophy preaches purpose and gives purpose

Christianity - the philosophy preaches meaning and gives meaning

Christianity - the philosophy preaches context and our lives are lived within that context

Christianity - the philosophy preaches justice, rewards and punishment. In the end the good will be rewarded and the guilty will be justly punished.

In atheism, life has no meaning, no context, no purpose and no ultimate justice.

Atheists try to tell themselves that their lives have meaning and context and purpose but IF life, the universe and everything are in fact an accident, then ultimate meaning and context and purpose are absent from all of our lives.

Christianity allows us to accept who we are - fundamentally flawed individuals. The state of the world proves this to be true.

Atheists are forced to deny who we really are, that we are in fact basically “good” people. The state of the world refutes that claim. Atheists, by and large buy into the delusion that every day and in every way we are getting better and better.

All we need is more education - Proven Wrong.

All we need is more wealth - Proven Wrong.

All we need is more freedom - Proven Wrong.

All we need is more tolerance - Proven Wrong.

Everything that the secular world has proposed for the salvation of human kind has proven useless in the face of reality. The last Darwinist government believed that getting rid of Jews, homosexuals and gypsies was the solution to our problems. Wrong. The next demand of atheists will be, All we need is to rid the world of religious people. That too will be wrong.

Even though being wronged by others shows to the atheist that objective right / wrongs, morals, values and duties exist, atheists are forced to deny their existence.

Even though the fine tuning of the universe gives far more than just the appearance of order and design, atheists are forced to deny this design

Even though science shows that everything cannot come from nothing by natural means, atheists are forced to deny science, the very god that they worship.

Even though atheists preach, “I don’t need God in order to be good,” their lives show this to be false; they don’t even live up to their own moral code, let alone God’s

"Atheists tell us they live lives of purpose and joy without God or religion.

Atheists tell us they don’t need faith; they have reason!

Atheists tell us they never believe sincerely with one part of their mind something that another part of their mind knows is actually false.

Atheists tell us they find happiness in holidays like Easter and Christmas, because even though they know there is no God to celebrate, they are with family and that is what really counts.

Atheists tell us they never want to go to church, or take communion, or pray for the broken of the world."

On atheism they are wrong - wrong - wrong - wrong - wrong - wrong.

If atheism is correct “You are the descendant of a tiny cell of primordial protoplasm washed up on an empty beach three and a half billion years ago. You are the blind and arbitrary product of time, chance, and natural forces. You are a mere grab-bag of atomic particles, and conglomeration of genetic substance. You exist on a tiny planet in a minute solar system in an empty corner of a meaningless universe. You are a purely biological entity, different only in degree but not in kind from a microbe, virus, or amoeba. You have no essence beyond your body, and at death you will cease to exist entirely. In short, you came from nothing and are going to nowhere” Randy Alcorn.

In atheism there is no reason for your existence. All you face is death. The person you call “Myself” will cease to exist and that will be the end of it. You will be no more.

If you are happy, then you are not living consistent with the atheist world-view. If you are a consistent atheist then you have no reason to be happy. Your life is absurd, pitiful, a waste of time and money. It really doesn’t matter if you’ve existed at all. So what if you’ve helped one person or a million people? In a hundred years they’ll all be dead. Did you make a lot of money? So what? Someone else is going to get it. Did you have a lot of fun? Big deal. You probably used and abused people in the process.

In fact, on atheism, the whole universe is a waste. Sooner or later everything that exists now will not exist, not even the universe itself.

Nothing lasting.
Nothing of value.
Nothing of purpose.
All dead.
All dead.

The same blind cosmic process that began it all will one day end it all. So what if a scientist says, “Here is why this happens.” Everything that discovery affects today will be gone tomorrow. In the end these discoveries don’t make one bit of difference.

On atheism our lives are meaningless, our activities are meaningless our discoveries are meaningless and without significance. Suppose science discovers something that allows you to live twenty, fifty a thousand years longer. So what?

On atheism you still die and disappear from memory. Sartre, Camus, Neitzsche, Monod, all knew the truth - on atheism “Man is alone in the indifferent immensity of the universe.”

On atheism life has no objective value. In a secular world if you say you have one unit of worth and your neighbour says you have no worth, your neighbour is just as correct as you are. As many an atheist has told me, there is no right or wrong. No good or bad. No correct or incorrect behaviour.

On atheism rape is simply someone thumbing his nose at social convention.

On atheism right and wrong or merely the ebb and flow of human desire, taste and subjective judgment.

On atheism there is no ultimate goal to life. Our lives are lived for nothing of ultimate purpose.

Death of the individual,

Death of humanity,

Death of the universe.

On atheism, that’s all that awaits everyone of us.

And yet, in order to survive this grim atheist “reality” humanists steal from Christianity meaning and context and purpose. Many try to avoid the advice of their elder atheists who tell them to build lives “upon the firm foundation of unyielding despair,” Russel. Modern atheists live totally inconsistent and absurd lives for the meaning and values they purport to hold dear have no reality in the absence of Creator God. Without eternity, all is without ultimate value. An atheist may say at this point, “Well I’ll create my own meaning in life.” And I’ll reply, “Go right ahead. Just be aware that you’re taking that meaning from a universe that has a Creator. For without God there is no objective meaning to life.” Or what if your neighbour says that your meaning is wrong and his is right and further that he can’t achieve his meaning without eliminating you and your meaning?

In the absurdity of the atheist world-view, there is no way around this scenario.
The fact is, if God does not exist, then life has no objective meaning. If life has no objective meaning we, as humans cannot live happy and joyous lives. Therefore atheists are forced to pretend their lives have meaning and that is inconsistent, illogical, incoherent and absurd.

70 comments:

Còmhradh said...

How exactly do you decide how many lies and what ratio of severity to use in a post? I'm trying to find a single sentence that doesn't contain a falsehood here.

I'm proud of you, though. You made it almost a quarter of the way through without springing that old Ben Stein chestnut "DARWIN MADE HITLER!" on us.

Stan, the Half-Truth Teller said...

That's it. Deleted. Not even lurking any more.

Thesauros said...

Stanley! Don't go away. You're the whole reason that I write.

Flute said...

Has the propaganda makarios flings always been this ugly?

J Curtis said...

Way to go pal! Keep up the good work Mak!!

Thesauros said...

"First cause does not work....dumbass. Atheists do not say either. Science says we do not know yet. There is no answer yet. Dumbass. God is not an answer, except for dumbasses!"

I love you man. You are truly priceless.
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"The fact is, God does not exist, life has no objective meaning. Even though life has no objective meaning we humans can live happy and joyous lives."

Ya, I can see you're just a load of giggles.

J Curtis said...

I love how you try and portray Nazi Germany as a darwinist nation. Really you missed the boat there. Try Christian Nation.

I see. And when you examined the basic tenets of the 30 Point National Reich Church, what did you find that was so "Christian" about it?

They were Christians manning the gas chambers.

You must have come across some very different information than I have. When you conducted your research into the matter, what was the ratio of pagan theists to practicing, born-again Christians
under the job title of "Gas Chamber Operator"?

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed."

Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister

Unknown said...

You're quoting the PROPAGANDA Minister?

I love it!

Some reality for your review:

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html

J Curtis said...

Ok, then let's quote the man himself if that is your standard.

"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

(Adolf Hitler, quoted by Albert Speer, p. 96, Inside the Third Reich.)

Not even Dawkins believes that Hitler was a Christian based on statements made while running for public office.

insofar as ome of the 30 Point National Reich Church's tenets, let me save you the trouble.

"The National Church is determined to exterminate irrevocably...the strange and foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800...

"The National Church has no scribes, pastors, chaplains or priests, but National Reich orators are to speak in them.

"The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany...'"

"On the altars there must be nothing but 'Mein Kampf' (to the German nation and therefore to God the most sacred book) and to the left of the altar a sword.

"On the day of its foundation, the Christian Cross must be removed from all churches, cathedrals and chapels...and it must be superseded by the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika."

Marcus Wellington said...

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

"Christ is the genius of love, as such the most diametrical opposite of Judaism, which is the incarnation of hate. The Jew is a non-race among the races of the earth.... Christ is the first great enemy of the Jews.... that is why Judaism had to get rid of him. For he was shaking the very foundations of its future international power. The Jew is the lie personified. When he crucified Christ, he crucified everlasting truth for the first time in history."
-Joseph Goebbels

Marcus Wellington said...

first quote is Hitler

Marcus Wellington said...

The world today has convinced me that the Großdeutsches Reich was one of the world's greatest Christian endeavors.

J Curtis said...

"by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord"

"The Jew is the lie personified"

"The Jew is a non-race among the races of the earth"

Why, if the people saying such things as these are truly Christian, then such sentiments must be part and parcel of your typical Sunday School lesson or sermon. Marcus, could you please cite for me all of, no wait, let's make it easier, just ONE mainline Christian denomination where such statements as these would be even tolerated? (Nevermind upheld and preached in the community.)

J Curtis said...

If anyone is interested, here is an actual OSS document made public in 2001 that gives some insight as to what the Nazis were trying to do. They were attempting to piece by piece, replace Christian ideology with their own.

Marcus Wellington said...

"Marcus, could you please cite for me all of, no wait, let's make it easier, just ONE mainline Christian denomination where such statements as these would be even tolerated"

Get your head out of the sand, JD

There are many true churches like
Kingdom Identity Ministries and Church of Jesus Christ–Christian.

Marcus Wellington said...

"If anyone is interested, here is an actual OSS document made public in 2001 that gives some insight as to what the Nazis were trying to do. They were attempting to piece by piece, replace Christian ideology with their own."

An unreadable document from the OSS. THE OSS! Stop swallowing the propaganda. Of course the OSS wanted peole to think the Reich was unChrisitan. It's OSS war propaganda. And you eat it up. Look at the source! The OSS! Unbelieveable.

J Curtis said...

"Nazis were largely atheist/pagan A survey of Nazi prisoners of war in 1941 found that 50% gave 'nature' as their religion when being processed for POW camps, 40% 'Hitler' and the rest 'atheist'."

Source cited by article: Newcastle Journal and North Mail, 31 January 1941

J Curtis said...

There are many true churches like
Kingdom Identity Ministries and Church of Jesus Christ–Christian.


Apparently, Marcus is having trouble with the definition of "mainline Christian denominations"

It's OSS war propaganda

The war was over by then. How do you explain the 30 Point National Reich Church? Did they just make that up out of thin air?

from adherents.com

"Historians agree that Hitler was pointedly anti-Christian. We are not aware of any published sources from acknowledged academic historians or writers that identify Adolf Hitler as significantly Catholic or Christian in his motivations as an adult."


By that standard, Dawkins and Hitchins are still Anglicans. HA!

J Curtis said...

It was a Christian Nation. Even if the actual Nazis had plans to eliminate the church eventually. It was still the core population that manned the gas chambers. Prison guards, raping and murdering. Starving the prisoners. Even if they knew it was wrong, they stood by and let it happen.

NGITS, if I were to make a statement as such and say they were atheists or pagans that did such things, I would be expected to back it up with evidence. (As I just did on an earlier post) I'll ask you point blank. How many of them were "born-again" or even "practicing" Christians? What sources did you examine before arriving at your point of view?

Semi-sage said...

Kirchenaustritte 1932-1944[9] Cath. Protest. Total
1932 52 000 225 000 277 000
1933 34 000 57 000 91 000
1934 27 000 29 000 56 000
1935 34 000 53 000 87 000
1936 46 000 98 000 144 000
1937 104 000 338 000 442 000
1938 97 000 343 000 430 000

These are numbers post in wiki. These are not true total numbers, they are number of relious registered. You did not have to register since the 1870's.

This is from wiki too.

The German Christians Movement

The German Christians, (Deutsche Christen) constituted the strongest Protestant movement in Germany after the 1932 Church elections, with the aim of synthesising Christianity with the ideology of National Socialism.

So you can see the decline of numbers towards the end of the war. This is due to nazis then turning on the church. Just because people remove their names from the registry, doesnt make them atheists. It makes them affraid and Christians in the closet.

Clearly Christian nation that let a their hate for Jews commit horrible crimes against humanity.

Semi-sage said...

"Before World War II, about two-thirds of the German population was Protestant and one-third was Roman Catholic." From wiki and link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Germany

The other link was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_Religion

Semi-sage said...

That looks an awful lot like ...a Christian Nation. Huh? Yep! :)

Anonymous said...

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." Adolf Hitler to General Gerhard Engel in 1941

Quoted in the definitive biography of Hitler by John Toland, Adolf Hitler (1992), p. 507.

Mixter

Anonymous said...

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

Mixter

J Curtis said...

Mixter, would you mind informing me what Catholic Church Hitler attended and who was his priest? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

God the Almighty has made our nation. By defending its existence we are defending His work....

Only He can relieve me of this duty Who called me to it. It was in the hand of Providence to snuff me out by the bomb that exploded only one and a half meters from me on July 20, and thus to terminate my life's work. That the Almighty protected me on that day I consider a renewed affirmation of the task entrusted to me....

Therefore, it is all the more necessary on this twelfth anniversary of the rise to power to strengthen the heart more than ever before and to steel ourselves in the holy determination to wield the sword, no-matter where and under what circumstances, until final victory crowns our efforts....

In the years to come I shall continue on this road, uncompromisingly safeguarding my people's interests, oblivious to all misery and danger, and filled with the holy conviction that God the Almighty will not abandon him who, during all his life, had no desire but to save his people from a fate it had never deserved, neither by virtue of its number nor by way of its importance....

In vowing ourselves to one another, we are entitled to stand before the Almighty and ask Him for His grace and His blessing. No people can do more than that everybody who can fight, fights, and that everybody who can work, works, and that they all sacrifice in common, filled with but one thought: to safeguard freedom and national honor and thus the future of life.


-Adolf Hitler, in a radio address, 30 Jan. 1945


Shall I go on?

Mixter

Thesauros said...

It's hard for me to stay out of this mix. However to step into a conversation where Marcus is involved would require that I go and shower after. I don't want to do that tonight.

I wish you luck JD. Unfortunately, you're trying to defend something that Hitler the politician has apprehended. It may be a losing battle.

Anonymous said...

Ooh! Hitler partying with the archbishop, even! Very nice...

Mixter

J Curtis said...

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....

"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity...."

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."

"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity."

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it."

"The final state must be: in St. Peter's Chair, a senile officiant; facing him, a few sinister old women, as gaga and as poor in spirit as anyone could wish."

Adolph Hitler, 1941

Anonymous said...

JD: Hitler often publicly professed to be a Christian. He wrote that he was in Mein Kampf. I know you don't want it to be true, but he was a Christian. You're using a bad source.

The table-talk has Hitler saying such things such as: "I shall never come to terms with the Christian lie. . .", "Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity".

The problem with these anti-Christian quotes is that the German text of the table-talk does not include them, they were made up by François Genoud, the translator of the French version, the very version that English translations rely on!


Sorry.

Mixter

J Curtis said...

"...indeed no psyche in human history has been so thoroughly mined for various explanatory pathologies, and few subjects have offered a richer lode. "The search for Hitler", writes Ron Rosenbaum in Explaining Hitler "has apprehended not one coherent, consensus image of Hitler, but rather many different Hitlers, competeing Hitlers, conflicting embodiments of competeing visions". Psychologists and historians have argued that Hitler's personality stems from the fact(s) that he was abused by his father, had a history of incest in his family, was a sadomasochist, a coprophiliac, a homosexual, or was part Jewish (or feared that he was). These theories vary in plausability. But what is certain is that Hitler's megalomania was the product of a rich complex of psychological maladies and impulses. Taken as a whole, they point to a man who felt he had much to compensate for and whose egocentrism knew no bounds. "I have to attain immortality," Hitler once confessed, "even if the whole German nation perishes in the process".

Jonah Goldberg;Liberal Fascism, pg 63, Chapter 2, Adolph Hitler, Man of the Left, 2007, Doubleday

Marcus Wellington said...

A book about Hitler by Jonah Goldberg.

Goldberg.

J Curtis said...

Clever minds might consider the possibility that the Bormann Vermerke was actually fabricated by Genoud, by simply copying and expanding on Picker's German. But we can actually rule that out from an examination of Picker's first and second editions. Genoud correctly translates several words and sentences in 1952 that were accidentally omitted from Picker's 1951 release, but restored by Mediger in 1963. Thus, Genoud must have had access to a genuine manuscript, and that must be the one Jochmann finally released in 1980. This, in fact, corroborates the authenticity of both German originals, at least where they agree.

Link

Marcus Wellington said...

It doesn't matter:

"Then answered all the Jews, and said, His Blood be on us, and on our children forever."

J Curtis said...

Well, the source I cited does contain some differences in the translations. Fact is, Did Hitler act Christian? The answer is a resounding NO.

J Curtis said...

One question that I've never seen answered to any degree of satisfaction in my view is, If Hitler was such a committed Christian, why did he grow up to be somebody who tried to destroy both the Catholic and Protestant churches of Germany?

Have at it, will check back later.

Anonymous said...

JD: Did you even read the page you linked to? I suggest you do, since it disproves your point.

Mixter

Anonymous said...

Does one have to ACT Christian? I thought all you had to do was accept Jesus Christ as your Savior. Ping! You're saved! This confuses me...

Mixter

J Curtis said...

Ok, apart from "Table Talk" how about this one?

"In the Hossbach Memorandum, Hitler blamed Christianity for the fall of Rome (rather than such being a judgment due to its degradation, and persecution of Christians and its message), stating: "It was only the disintegrating effect of Christianity, and the symptoms of age which appear in every country, which caused ancient Rome to succumb to the onslaught of the Germans."

Link

J Curtis said...

Why do most Christians cheat on their spouses?

I find it hard to believe that the majority of any religion or no religion openly admit to cheating. What was your source? Why do atheists divorce at higher rates than Christians?

Why do Pastors fuck parishioners wives?

A complex answer I would imagine. Of course, none of the reasons given would make it right.

Why do Bishops like to fondle little boys?

Abuse of this type involving minors is a societal problem, not something confined or even rampant in the Catholic Church. I'm sure youve seen the numbers before..

Percentage of Catholic priests accused of sexual abuse-1.5%

Among Protestant clergy, slightly higher-2 to 3%

Percentage of secular, public school teachers accused-about 5%.

These statistics would bear out that it's far better to send your kids to Catholic school than the secular, public system to avoid this type of abuse.

Check out “The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests.”

Shakeshaft, C. Ph.D., U.S. Department of Education report. 2002

And also check out this link for the statistical info.

J Curtis said...

Does one have to ACT Christian? I thought all you had to do was accept Jesus Christ as your Savior. Ping! You're saved!

If there's no real change in the individual Mix, then it's almost certain that they don't have that which they profess to have.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Matthew 7:19-20.

J Curtis said...

It can not be the infallible word of God.

Let's keep this simple NGITS. If you had to choose 1 passage from the Bible, right now, here tonight, that you think is flat out wrong, what would it be?

Semi-sage said...

JD - The majority of the population admits to infidelity. Christians are 80% of population. Simple huh? No source, just logic. If I have to look it up. I will call you a name. Do I need too?

Since you are slower than me. I will explain it to you. Those questions are not really answerable, except on a case by case basis. The same goes for your why Hitler did it question. He is dead, we will never know what he was thinking.

Semi-sage said...

LOL I have so many tabs open. This was a response to something you said. I was closing out tabs and saw this. From the better late than never fan club.

JD - I do not remember saying Hitler was a sane guy. I never said he did not have an ego. Lots of Christians have big egos. Lots. lol

So you have seen he was raised at St. Micheal's. He hung out at least in Marine Church. Hard to deny a picture as evidence. He loved a good Bishop. Lots of pics there too. He pooped for Popes. This all took place in Germany. Which was Christian. Just one big happy Christian Family!

You know what they say, "A family that slays together. Stays together." There was nothing like sitting around the old fireplace reading passages from the bible and Mein Kampf.

Semi-sage said...

JD - I do have to go to bed. Its 10:46 here and I am up at 4:45. Genesis is a good start. Try Noah. Jesus resurrection. Job. There are whole bunches.

Good night

J Curtis said...

Fair enough. Think about it and post it tomorrow if you like. Sweet dreams Miss Congeniality

Semi-sage said...

JD - I will help you out. You can't win this. God is omniscient is your clue.

J Curtis said...

The chapter and verse that is heaviest in your heart and we'll take it from there. I'll check back tomorrow. Speak well of me in the meantime slipper-skim.

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Semi-sage said...

JD - I thought it was clear. Start with Genesis. Are you sure you are smart enough to continue? Nope. I will help.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Nope. We will get to this in a second.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Keep going.


3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. OK Dumbass. This is an easy, we know is not true lie. The earth is not the oldest thing in the universe. Little shiney flashlights were not just created to shine on earth. Stars were formed LONG before the earth was a twinkle in Gods eye.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Again Dumbass. Time is a unit of measure. God being omniscient should know this. We know this all was not created in a day. Wow - Stupid!

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. News flash Stupid fucker! God being omniscient would know he already created light. Here he is again creating light twice. Is this the same as Cut twice measure once? Oh that saying is measure twice cut once. Gud had it backwards. Huh? Omniscient?

Semi-sage said...

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. So omniscient Gud thinks dry land is earth. ROFLMAO! Wow - If that is not stupid, I do not know what is. That is stupid! Now look at the fact we know the earth was pretty much cover with water. One vast ocean with very very little or no land. Omniscient? Nope Dumb desert dude.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. OK Stupid fucker. He has now created stars for the third time. Omniscient, omnipotent being can not remember, or is his work just plain shotty?

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. So here Gud goes on and on. Now telling you he created two lights. Hmmm. He created these four times? Oh wait dummy. These lights happen to be the sun and moon. Sun created in a few days? We know this is not true. Lies and lies. You can not plea ignorance, he is omniscient.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Moon is not a source of light, it is reflective. That does not mean the moon is up in the sky looking back on its life. Wondering what if he had been a planet. Oh I am getting bored. It is light from the sun bounced off the surface of the moon we see. Gud is omniscient? Reflect on that stupid ass. Keep reflecting, until you know he is stupid.

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. See above. Gud is brilliant! LMAO

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. Evolution - Have you heard of it? Oh ya Gud the omniscient just creates every single living creature in a day. Calls it good and you call that believable? Look dumbass, I have to get ready and go to work. This should give you plenty to play with. Just think omniscient beings would know. Have fun dummy. :)

Anonymous said...

I know Mel Brooks played a 2,000-year-old man, but I don't think there are really any of those around...

"But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God." Luke 9:27

"And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power." Mark 9:1

"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." Matthew 16:28

How many of the people who were supposedly there listening to Jesus are still alive?

Mixter

Anonymous said...

Gotta go to work, but here's another odd one for ya:

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26

You can't be a disciple of Jesus unless you hate your mother, father, wife, children, brothers, sisters, and even your own life? Pretty tough qualifications.

Mixter

J Curtis said...

More Hitlerisms.....

"(Historian Paul) Johnson believes that the principal cause of the horrors of the 20th century was that great power was acquired by men who had no fear of God and so no absolute code of moral conduct. Lenin, he explains, hated Christianity and was determined to stamp it out. For Lenin there was no Christian code of conduct; anything can be justified in the name of the State and the Party. “Can we wonder, then,” asks Johnson, “that this monster murdered or starved to death five million of his own countrymen and that his successor Stalin dispatched a further 20 million?” The moral counterpart of Lenin and Stalin was Adolf Hitler. Hitler, according to Johnson, hated Christianity with a passion that rivaled Lenin’s. Shortly after assuming power in 1933, he told Hermann Rauschwig that he “intended to stamp out Christianity root and branch.” “One is either a Christian or a German,” he said, “You cannot be both.” Hitler found it expedient to use the state church until the Third Reich had attained supremacy; but then he planned to wipe it out just as he had annihilated the Jews. “Can it be wondered,” writes Johnson, that these two fearful regimes—Communism and Nazism—created by men dedicated to the destruction of Christianity, “soon plunged the world into a yet more extensive and destructive Armageddon, which cost 50 million lives and saw men resort to degrees of savagery and wickedness never before practiced or even imagined? Had the world ever before seen horrors like Auschwitz or the Gulag Archipelago? Here were the first bitter fruits of a de-Christianized world.” Link

Thank you to whoever brought this up. I must admit that I was unaware of the "Rauschwig' reference. Thank you for strengthening my faith! More to follow.

Unknown said...

Paul Johnson articles:

http://www.discovery.org/a/2638

"Since we are unsure of the origin of the universe, it was God. Even physics tells us that!"

This doesn't seem biased at all! Moving on...

J Curtis said...

Before I tak a look at some of these Bible verses that some folks had some questions about, I came across an article today that I think sums up all this "Hitler" talk very well.

Though Christians sometime hold Hitler to be an atheist, and atheists often assert he was a Christian, the best evidence shows him to be neither, in particular failing to be the latter, especially in the Biblical sense of the word (being both the source and most authoritative definition of it). In contrast, evidence reveals that while Hitler shared with many atheists a dramatically skewed idea of what Christianity is, and or made political use of the term, he was quite the contrary to being a Christian

Source cited by article: Hitler, the Holocaust, and the Bible: A Scriptural Analysis..., by Joe Keysor

Semi-sage said...

Jordan - Wow how stupid do you have to believe ID central has any legitimacy? Remember ID got it ass handed to it in a court of Law? I have links to videos of Professor thgat buried ID, explaining how everything works. Just in case you want to know the ... truth. :)

Move on Discovery Institute Dumbass!

JD - It is obvious Hitler was Christian. Having faith he was not, is like faith in Gud. Faith = Nothing.

The whole thing is ... Germany was a Christian Nation. Hitler was a Christian, but even if he was not(he was), Christians did his dirty immoral work. Christians committed every possible atrocity on Jews.

J Curtis said...

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26

For answer, click here

J Curtis said...

Germany was a Christian Nation.

"Overall however, the spiritual condition of Germany may be seen to have been weak by and during the time of Hitler's rise to power. Protestant churches in Germany had become largely institutionalized, and its power to effect political change decreased. The Catholic Institution had been pressured into a Concordant with Hitler, which the latter continually broke. Loyalties were torn as national socialism became the cause, and churches were pressured to submit to its ethos."

Sources cited:A history of national socialism, Cross against Swastika, by Konrad Heiden and also Pius XII and the Nazis, by Darlene Shelton

J Curtis said...

As posted yesterday from adherents.com

On occasion we have read people claim that “Hitler was a Catholic” or “Hitler was a Christian” in a meaningful way, implying that Christianity or Catholicism was the primary impetus for his Nazi reign. Such claims are simply vitriolic attacks occasionally voiced by ideologically-inclined anti-Christian, anti-Semitic or pro-Nazi people. Historians agree that Hitler was pointedly anti-Christian. We are not aware of any published sources from acknowledged academic historians or writers that identify Adolf Hitler as significantly Catholic or Christian in his motivations as an adult.

Just who are all of these "acknowledged academic historians" that you are citing NGITS? Your co-religionists don't count.

Semi-sage said...

Religious web site say Hitler is not a Christian. Hmmm sounds legit. JD he was raised catholic, he states he was catholic, we have pics of him attending. Kissing bishops and Poops. If your comment another idiotic thing about Hitler. I am done with you. You lost. You lost on every point. Not one point did you win yet. Try my bible verses. You lost those before you started.

J Curtis said...

JD he was raised catholic

And Dawkins and Hitchins were raised up as Anglicans. BFD

he states he was catholic

Politicians have a tendency to LIE NGITS. Obama stated he was a Christian and then goes out to flub the meaning of several Bible verses. The MSM is so completely in the tank and clueless concerning Biblical exegesis, they fail to call him out on it. Again, BFD.

we have pics of him attending. Kissing bishops and Poops.

It's calle "proof reading" Einstein. Tell me, 2nd attempt, who are these reputable historians you are citing? While you are at it, who was his parish priest in adulthood? Was he a daily communicant?

Semi-sage said...

JD - I am done. I win. I gave you links with his home and church. Those are from a tour of Hitlers past. Click home and you can read about all sorts of things. There is no propaganda on site, it is just here this. I am sure it was a tour. Links with pics of him with church, bishop and pope. There are thousands of sites with the later pics.

Obviously you are avoiding your Gud debacle. I win more. Bye.

Marcus Wellington said...

Two quotes from the book of Mathew:

"Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

and

"Then answered all the Jews, and said, His Blood be on us, and on our children forever."

J Curtis said...

You still havent cited ONE reputable historian NGITS or answered any of my questions. Run away little man, run away. OT- Did you correct the factual error I cited over at your website?

J Curtis said...

I see Marcus, and the point you are trying to make is....?

J Curtis said...

A. Who was his parish priest in adulthood?

B. Name one reputable professor of history who says (or said) that they "identify Adolf Hitler as significantly Catholic or Christian in his motivations as an adult.

C. Was he a daily communicant?

D. When you examined the OSS papers made public in 2001 detailing the Nazis' plan to destroy Christianity, how did you just "sweep that under the rug"? From the NY Times. What denomination are they affiliated with Lippershitz?

Unknown said...

"Jordan - Wow how stupid do you have to believe ID central has any legitimacy?"

That was my point entirely. Sarcasm and internet I guess?

J Curtis said...
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J Curtis said...

You went to home of Discovery Institute, that shows how stupid you are.

No, actually that was from William Lane Craig's site and I highly recommend it for anybody who is looking for real answers to life's tough questions. www.reasonablefaith.org