This is just a followup to “Atheist Women Reject Kindness.” I find it profoundly sad that we live in such an angry, angry world. We live in a world where atheists judge people as acceptable and worthy of respect by the person's level of education, or ability to spell, or by their wealth, or looks, or power and especially by the other person's intelligence. We live in a world that is cruel and insensitive, violent and dangerous. We live in a world where millions of children are all but on their own.
All of that is sad enough, but here’s what really gets me. When I lay out the evidence that the Bible in general and Christianity in particular, by far and away admonishes us to treat other people with love and kindness. When I point out that those in our community who are the weakest and most powerless are upheld in the Bible with instructions for us to treat them as our superiors. When I point out that kindness, gentleness and mercy are top priorities of Jesus, what do I get from atheists? A shrug and accusations of being judgmental. A SHRUG! When I put forth a Book that goes beyond any well-known text that I’ve seen in demanding safety and equality for women, atheists give the women of the world a shrug. When I offer advice from a world-view whose overwhelming emphasis is on forgiveness - undeserved forgiveness - atheist women who are themselves in desperate need of forgiveness and compassion give a shrug and say, So what? Screw the weak. Screw the world. I'm in this for myself. Just another atheist absurdity.
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We live in a world where [atheists/Christians/whites/New Yorkers/homosexuals/people in general] judge people as acceptable and worthy of respect by the person's level of education, or ability to spell, or by their wealth, or looks, or power and especially by the other person's intelligence.
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You are quite the bigot, aren't you? Poor persecuted you, judged so harshly for pointing out how evil and nasty people who disagree with you are!
When I lay out the evidence that the Bible in general and Christianity in particular, by far and away admonishes us to treat other people with love and kindness.
Then you must not consider atheists/people that disagree with you as "people."
When I point out that kindness, gentleness and mercy are top priorities of Jesus, what do I get from atheists?
Examples of how your religion, with you as a prime example, are nothing like this Jesus character.
Screw the weak. Screw the world. I'm in this for myself.
Obviously.
Mak wrote: When I put forth a Book that goes beyond any well-known text that I’ve seen in demanding safety and equality for women.
What are you smoking?
I desire, then, that in every place the men should pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or argument; also that the women should dress themselves modestly and decently in suitable clothing, not with their hair braided, or with gold, pearls, or expensive clothes, but with good works, as is proper for women who profess reverence for God. Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty. [1 Timothy, chapter 2] (my emphasis)
Mak, you are inspirational. Specifically, you inspire me to burn bibles.
Maybe they're angry because when they ask for clarification you evade the question and call them names, instead of "treating people with love and kindness".
We live in a world that is cruel and insensitive, violent and dangerous.
Example: Genesis 7:22-23 - And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth.
Blanket killing is "cruel and insensitive, violent and dangerous"
"Examples of how your religion, with you as a prime example, are nothing like this Jesus character."
Comrade, in almost every one of your replies, I just can't understand what it is you are trying to say. I do however agree with the statement above. You're bang on. I am however improving. Thanks for the encouragement.
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Missionary - In the first related post I stated, “Isn't it weird how atheist women will shore up their beliefs on some obscure verses in the Bible; verses whose meaning, if twisted enough makes rejecting God easier? And while they're clinging to those obscure verses, they'll ignore verses that are perfectly clear on how women should be treated with respect and dignity.”
And then I gave 60 (sixty) verses from the Bible clearly showing that Christians are to treat women with utmost dignity and respect as we are to do with every human being. And THEN you go and pick out one obscure verse that we don’t really know what Paul means -
Was he talking about that one congregation? Was it for all congregations? Was it for all time or only in that time? Like, why do you do that? What purpose do you hope it will serve? I've told you that everything humans touch turns to crap, including Christianity. What more do you want?
I'm striving to follow Jesus.
I fail.
I try again.
Accusing me of doing what I admit to doing proves nothing that I can see.
uzzo, you're as difficult to understand as comrade. I just can't follow what you're trying to say. Perhaps you should visit someone else.
Albert, you forgot to state why everything was wiped out. Do you want to share that or should I?
Mak - Let me help you. You believe your bible was written/inspired by God. Lets pretend your imaginary God is real. Being omniscient, how is it. He wrote the bible with so many flaws? Why would such a perfect being have so many fucked up(obscure) verses in it? How come so much is blatantly contradictory? How come, if God is perfect, he needed to plagiarize from other religions? How come this omniscient being, could not see he needed an editor? At least to get his story straight. Hmmm. That really makes him imperfect. Doesn't it.
The bible is full of obscure verses. Did you ever think(oops probably not)that God being perfect, why is it we have to read some verses literally and others we get to have some dumbass make up an answer?
Do not worry. Your imaginary deity is just that. Imperfectly imaginary!
So when you are busy laying out evidence from your bible. Please remember me, and put your bible away.
I think I'm starting to like you. Could we be friends?
“uzzo, you're as difficult to understand as comrade. I just can't follow what you're trying to say.”
muckaryass, what I said was:
“Why do you think [1Peter5:5 is talking about women?]”
This is too difficult for you to understand? Bullshit. We're still waiting for an answer.
"We're still waiting for an answer."
We? - who is this WE you're talking about? Do you have a friend sleeping over tonight or what? Cause I gotta tell ya, I don't think any of these other goofs like comrade and whoever else is prattling on about useless things cares one whit about 1st Peter this or that.
But just so you don't stick your thumb in your mouth (I'm in good form tonight - don't you think?) this passage is talking about respecting your elders, some of whom will be made up of women. I could have sworn this had been settled yesterday. You know, in the big picture, this isn't all that important. I suggest that if you wake up in the middle of the night and find yourself brooding about it, just roll over and go back to sleep :-)
Well, Ian, in "Atheist Women Reject Kindness" I've given you sixty verses that I think point to nothing but equality, repsect and kindness for women. You may read the Bible but you sure don't get it.
I've given you sixty verses that I think point to nothing but equality, repsect and kindness for women.
(Emphasis mine)
Problem is, most of those fifteen verses that you provided don't even mention women. But then again, this is not unexpected. You make the Bible say what you want it to say, and discount things that don't support your arguments. For instance, you also state in that post that "NO WHERE does the Bible tell women to obey their husbands." (Emphasis yours). Ephesians 5:22-24 called and said you need to read your Bible.
Ah, my dear boy. Part of your problem is that you don't understand the difference between a submissive attitude and the command to obey. I've already pointed out that in six places, women are implored to submit to their husbands while in nine places, men are told to submit to their wives (with the mutual "each of you must submit one to the other," making understanding for one such as yourself a little easier); with the extra attachment of men being ready to die for their wives.
Had you understood that distinction you probably wouldn't have made such a silly statement.
As to your comments that the word woman isn't in whatever verse you are talking about, I've already said that women are included. One could accurately say that neither do they mention men, or boys or girls. Do you think then that those individuals are excluded? Of course not. I'm showing that, unlike surrounding religions, women in Christianity are included in demands to treat others with respect, kindness and dignity.
Ah, my dear boy. Part of your problem is that you don't understand the difference between a submissive attitude and the command to obey.
If you're going to mangle semantics to further your argument, I'm going to have to assume that your use of the word "boy" was intended as a racist slur. The fact that you throw the term "camel jockey" around so glibly is just further evidence of that.
You really are quite the ambassador for your religion.
Makarios, you asked me to state the reason why your god killed all human (except Noah and his family) and all animals (except a couple to save the diversity). So we need to go back a chapter of Genesis.
6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them
Now men have daughters. Not a surprise.
6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
God's sons (not men) found men's daughters desirable and have sex and have offsprings [Gen 6:4 the same [the offsprings of god's son and men's daughter] became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. ].
6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Ah, it was the sons of god's son and men's daughters who have imagination of thoughts which god does not like.
Makarios, please read your bible carefully. Your god killed ALL human and animal (minus a few) for thought crime made by his sons and men's daughter! I suppose killing his own creation was just part of the fun.
BTW, can you explain why god asked Noah to include all the gems, diseases, rats and so on when he wants to restart the human population? Should he not try to do this better the second time around?
BTW, Just two chapters later:
9:20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:
9:21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
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9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
9:26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
Noah planted the vineyard and created wine, got drunk and naked in his tent. His younger son Ham saw his nakedness [which is a crime???] and Noah cursed his own grandson Canaan of a crime Canaan did not commit. Canaan was cursed to become a slave because Canaan's father Ham saw the nakedness of Noah. Noah's exposure was due to Noah's own drinking. Ham just had the bad luck of seeing it!
What kind of just (or justice) was that?
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