tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post992429245796151796..comments2024-01-29T01:22:14.621-08:00Comments on Makarios: Observations and AtheismThesauroshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-9458722794696138282009-10-05T19:37:24.251-07:002009-10-05T19:37:24.251-07:00MAKARIOS
"Why do you ask?"
I asked it t...MAKARIOS<br />"Why do you ask?"<br /><br />I asked it too. Many times.World of Factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066732051794158264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-82176333568600727752009-10-05T18:44:23.239-07:002009-10-05T18:44:23.239-07:00Why do you ask?Why do you ask?Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-76747351948439394632009-10-05T16:13:26.589-07:002009-10-05T16:13:26.589-07:00Makarios, universe or earth, take your pick. Is i...Makarios, universe or earth, take your pick. Is it 6 to 10 thousand years old?Gorth Satanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778005789604262673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-62590632318340862522009-10-05T15:25:53.964-07:002009-10-05T15:25:53.964-07:00Makarios,
I invite you to look at this video seri...Makarios,<br /><br />I invite you to look at this video series; especially regarding the example using the expanding track in the 2nd video.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxNbXjBbzEo" rel="nofollow"><br />BestOfScience - Faster Than The Speed Of Light (1): The Universe - Created Out Of Nothing?</a><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxNbXjBbzEo<br /><br />If you're interested, there are other videos from that user that discuss the complex issue general relativity; making it much easier to understand.World of Factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066732051794158264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-25465339709614675742009-10-05T14:43:37.067-07:002009-10-05T14:43:37.067-07:00Gorth, this is a web site that tells us that there...Gorth, this is a web site that tells us that there is "no sign that the universe is finite"<br /><br />No sign? Gorth, even you wouldn't be that gullible.Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-76587429375319255582009-10-04T19:20:54.263-07:002009-10-04T19:20:54.263-07:00http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_mond...http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_040524.htmlGorth Satanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778005789604262673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-62243244208028175262009-10-04T19:05:57.792-07:002009-10-04T19:05:57.792-07:00expansion.expansion.Gorth Satanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778005789604262673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-23119607872991761032009-10-04T18:16:16.012-07:002009-10-04T18:16:16.012-07:00Anyway, the answer is simply that the light we see...Anyway, the answer is simply that the light we see now was emitted 13 billion years ago. During that time, the universe (spacetime) continued to expand, so the object that emitted light 13 billion years ago moved away from us during all these years. The object is now obviously much much farther than 13 billion light years. 78 makes sense I guess, why not?"<br /><br />Because the universe has not, did not, could not expand that far in such a "short" period of time.<br /><br />That is the major problem that Hawking and Penrose see with BB theory. We know that the stars are 78 billion light years away but how did they get that far in such a short period of time.Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-35866378444474020872009-10-03T23:17:40.242-07:002009-10-03T23:17:40.242-07:00MAKARIOS:
I meant Hawking, and Hawking doesn't...MAKARIOS:<br /><i>I meant Hawking, and Hawking doesn't think it ridiculous. He thinks that it is a problem that needs to be resolved before BB can be accepted. </i><br /><br /><b>What problem?</b><br /><br />I answered your question properlly.<br />What was wrong with my answer? You seem to put it as if I had not answered; and bringing up a <i>problem</i> concerning the Big Bang. But I was not talking about the Big Bang, because your question did not mention the Big Bang either.<br /><br />MAKARIOS:<br /><i>His equations don't allow him to believe that the universe expanded the equivalent of 65 billion light years in only 13 billion years.</i><br /><br /><b>What equations?</b><br /><br />But actually it does not matter so much since it's not surprising to see equations break.<br /><br />Ex.: That's what happens as we get closer to the middle of a black hole, or the way the Big Bang Theory describes the start of the universe: infinitely hot, infinitely dense.<br /><br />Try putting that in your equations.World of Factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066732051794158264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-3681706034928202672009-10-03T20:10:18.642-07:002009-10-03T20:10:18.642-07:00I meant Hawking, and Hawking doesn't think it ...I meant Hawking, and Hawking doesn't think it ridiculous. He thinks that it is a problem that needs to be resolved before BB can be accepted.Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-23325550590981906852009-10-03T19:28:35.676-07:002009-10-03T19:28:35.676-07:00MAKARIOS:
[Dawkins'] equations don't allow...<i>MAKARIOS:<br />[Dawkins'] equations don't allow him to believe that the universe expanded the equivalent of 65 billion light years in only 13 billion years.</i><br /><br />Dawkins worked in the field of biology, not cosmology...<br /><br />And apparently you did not understand my answer, but how could I expect anything else from the person who actually asked that ridicule question...World of Factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066732051794158264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-18548564989974063012009-10-03T19:19:28.757-07:002009-10-03T19:19:28.757-07:00Hugo, for the good of mankind, phone and let Dawki...Hugo, for the good of mankind, phone and let Dawkins know of what you've found out. His equations don't allow him to believe that the universe expanded the equivalent of 65 billion light years in only 13 billion years.Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-47602780557334828992009-10-03T16:05:27.075-07:002009-10-03T16:05:27.075-07:00To be fair, he thinks it's likely.To be fair, he thinks it's likely.Gorth Satanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778005789604262673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-35629243178563465062009-10-03T16:05:02.948-07:002009-10-03T16:05:02.948-07:00So I've read that part "The anthropic Pri...So I've read that part "The anthropic Principle: Planetary Version" (starting on the bottom of page 134)<br /><br />Maybe you missed these words: "Suppose" and "if".Gorth Satanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778005789604262673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-11459353649569505632009-10-03T15:51:45.150-07:002009-10-03T15:51:45.150-07:00The God Delusion pp. 137-139The God Delusion pp. 137-139Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-41577068005564344452009-10-03T14:25:15.971-07:002009-10-03T14:25:15.971-07:00My wife "cleaned" our book cases - read ...My wife "cleaned" our book cases - read Moved my stuff, grrr. When I find it I'll get it for you.Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-90509335853202746662009-10-03T14:09:44.521-07:002009-10-03T14:09:44.521-07:00""This is the same Richard Dawkins who, ...""This is the same Richard Dawkins who, in the complete absence of evidence tells us that even as I type this, there is life on a billion other planets in our universe."<br /><br />Citation needed.<br /><br />No, it's well known enough that you can google it."<br /><br />I did. When I didn't find anything like that I concluded that you were either wrong or a liar. I found two statements that he believes there "might" be or that there's a "possibility" of life on other planets. Giving a citation would clear this up.Gorth Satanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778005789604262673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-42768390757357115172009-10-03T11:13:13.434-07:002009-10-03T11:13:13.434-07:00MAKARIOS:
I'll answer your quesion if you answ...MAKARIOS:<br /><i>I'll answer your quesion if you answer mine.<br /><br />How did light from stars 78 billion light years away get to earth in only 13 billion years? </i><br /><br /><b>Such a trivial question!</b><br />Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about... It's kind of sad...<br /><br />Anyway, the answer is simply that the light we see now was emitted 13 billion years ago. During that time, the universe (spacetime) continued to expand, so <b>the object that emitted light 13 billion years ago moved away from us during all these years.</b> The object is now obviously much much farther than 13 billion light years. 78 makes sense I guess, why not?<br /><br />In other words, what we see is how the object looked like 13 billion years ago. We have no way of knowing what it looks like now. And it's the same for anything we look at... even the Sun! We see the Sun the way it was 8 minutes before, not how it is at the time you look at it.<br /><br />That's all the time I have for now...World of Factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066732051794158264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-71053225617624599102009-10-03T11:01:55.657-07:002009-10-03T11:01:55.657-07:00@Rabhimself
Wait wait, are you serious???
That wou...@Rabhimself<br />Wait wait, are you serious???<br />That would explain why he avoids the question of whether we need to rule out a 6,000 year old Earth hypothesis or not... on one hand he knows it contradicts science, but on the other, for the Ark story to be possibly true, you need alternatives...World of Factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066732051794158264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-28262003542109782342009-10-03T09:24:52.763-07:002009-10-03T09:24:52.763-07:00I'll answer your quesion if you answer mine.
...I'll answer your quesion if you answer mine.<br /><br />How did light from stars 78 billion light years away get to earth in only 13 billion years?Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-17015269365947414442009-10-03T09:22:57.795-07:002009-10-03T09:22:57.795-07:00Hugo: "how first molecules reproduce themselv...Hugo: "how first molecules reproduce themselves and so on... Yes, life did come from inorganic model, <br /> <br />Are you trying to say that the first molecules were / are inorganic? Or are you just trying to ignore the most important question in biology. Like Dawkins says, "Once the vital ingredient - some kind of genetic molecule - is in place, true Darwinian natural selection can follow.” <br /><br />Well, yes, of course. So let’s not worry ourselves with how the vital ingredient got into place. It’s only the single most important step in all of biology. Let’s just skip along to the wonders of evolution shall we?<br />============Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-39557211067118515922009-10-03T09:14:38.461-07:002009-10-03T09:14:38.461-07:00Hugo: "We don't know what caused the univ...Hugo: "We don't know what caused the universe to exists."<br /> <br />Right, but we DO know what DIDN'T cause it. What didn’t cause it was anything natural or material because nothing natural or material existed. Right?<br />===========<br /><br />'How did that mind do it then?'<br /><br />That’s a fallacious argument. We do not need to know HOW an explanation works to know that an explanation is the right one.<br />================<br /> <br />"You think that God created everything... but how? out of nothing!?”<br /><br />Yes - out of nothing. We know from science that it was out of nothing. Remember? “I will simply tell you that nothing existed before the Big Bang because according to the Big Bang Theory model,”<br />=============<br /><br />"You think that God created everything... but how? out of nothing!? <br /><br />Again, the fallacy. We don’t need to know how something works to know that it did work. Example, You go to mars and find all kinds of machinery and buildings. Do we know HOW it got there? No. Do we need to know how it got there to know than something intelligent put it there? No! <br /><br />Another example. An archaeologist finds tools and cooking instruments in an area and at a level that is totally unexpected. Does he know how it got there? No. Does he need to know how it got there to know that intelligent beings put it there? No.<br />========== <br /><br />“God is the first cause... how convenient!”<br /><br />Well, I understand it`s inconvenient to your world-view but that’s just the way it is.Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-40606360301386743162009-10-03T08:55:14.820-07:002009-10-03T08:55:14.820-07:00Hugo - “According to atheists...”,
I could say &...Hugo - “According to atheists...”, <br /><br />I could say "atheist scientists" but because their atheism taints the way they do their work (ruling out a whole class of evidence), I say atheists because that is the dominant theme.Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-15920687876139191602009-10-03T08:37:46.664-07:002009-10-03T08:37:46.664-07:00Citation needed.
No, it's well known enough t...Citation needed.<br /><br />No, it's well known enough that you can google it.Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-81657297578507189682009-10-03T06:59:41.452-07:002009-10-03T06:59:41.452-07:00It will be interesting to see his response, but gi...It will be interesting to see his response, but given his favourite argumen for the existence of god, i suspect he has no choice but to say no - they don't deserve to be listened to.<br /><br />On saying that, he does believe in the story of Noah's Ark. No, i'm not kidding, he supports JD on that matter.Rabhimselfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10187340353199444438noreply@blogger.com