tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post1153410343782176978..comments2024-01-29T01:22:14.621-08:00Comments on Makarios: Regarding Gaps in the Fossil RecordThesauroshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-68757304876858978882009-12-04T09:20:22.017-08:002009-12-04T09:20:22.017-08:00It's a bit of a pity you didn't answer the...It's a bit of a pity you didn't answer the human race one.<br /><br />Well, the Bible doesn't give the age for either the earth nor the human race and science just gives us a guesstimate so what am I to do?<br />================<br /><br />"This is complex, I can't figure out how it's made, therefore God made it."<br /><br />I suppose this is a good guess - for an atheist :-) but it’s wrong. <br /><br />In his recent book, Signature in the Cell, Meyer tells us that ID holds that there are telltale features of living systems and the universe that are best explained by an intelligent cause - that is, by the conscious choice of a rational agent - rather than by an undirected process. <br /><br />I'm guessing that you'd agree that either life arose as the result of purely undirected processes, or a guiding intelligence played a role. Advocates of intelligent design argue for the latter option based on evidence from the natural world. <br /><br />I’d suggest my recent post “Nothing Did It.” as an example.<br /><br />The ID theory does not challenge the idea of evolution defined as change over time or even common ancestry, but it does dispute the Darwinian idea tha the cause of all biological change is wholly blind and undirected. <br /><br />Even so, the theory is not based on Biblical doctrine. Intelligent design is an inference from scientific evidence (again "Nothing Did It" is just one exmaple), not a deduction from religious authority. As with Big Bang cosmology, while it coheres with what the Bible says, it does not originate from what the Bible says.Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-54930546894697056922009-12-03T19:09:41.560-08:002009-12-03T19:09:41.560-08:00Hey, thanks for answering some of the questions.
I...Hey, thanks for answering some of the questions.<br />It's a bit of a pity you didn't answer the human race one.<br /><br />As to intelligent design, my understanding of it is basically creationism with a new name.<br />But to give you more of an answer, (off the top of my head), looking at something and asserting that something intelligent made it. "This is complex, I can't figure out how it's made, therefore God made it."<br />Basically an argument from ignorance. I haven't seen any POSITIVE evidence for creationism. <br /><br /><i>How did it come about</i>?<br />It being intelligent design?<br />An attempt to sneak in creationism in another name in the 1990's.Chris Mackeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05959441215025867286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-53697072719567135712009-12-03T17:16:22.098-08:002009-12-03T17:16:22.098-08:00I realise I know nothing about what you believe, e...I realise I know nothing about what you believe, except that you hate atheists."<br /><br />I don't hate atheists. Some of the nicest people I've known have been atheists. Some of the worst people I've known have called themselves Christians. I think atheism is the most incoherent and illogical world-view out there. It's just easier to say "atheists this" and "atheists that," than saying, "those who believe in atheism . . ."<br />----------------<br /> <br />young earth, old earth, gap?<br /><br />I have no idea how old the earth is and neither does anyone else.<br />---------------<br />What branch of Christianity do you belong to?<br /> <br />I'm a Christian. I try, very imperfectly to follow the teachings of Jesus. I'm not Roman Catholic and don't belong to any denomination although we attend a Bible Church which, I think, used to be Mennonite Bretheran - whatever that means.<br />--------------<br /><br />How did you come to choose this branch? <br /><br />We attend this congregation because, to the best of my knowledge they teach what Jesus taught and are very active in helping the poor and others in need.<br />================<br /><br />How old do you believe our universe to be?<br /><br />I have no idea. Science says 14 billion, give or take and that's good enough for me.<br />----------------<br /><br />How old do you believe the earth to be?<br /><br />I thought you already asked me that.<br />--------------<br /><br />And the human race?<br /><br />Don't know<br />-------------<br /><br />Are you a Bible literalist? <br /><br />Not to the degree that atheists are.<br />---------------<br /><br />Since TAM's taken a break. How about you? What's your understanding of Intelligent Design? How did it come about?Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-69440470615110348822009-12-03T16:05:15.628-08:002009-12-03T16:05:15.628-08:00--- I'm a little weirded out. I'm not use...--- I'm a little weirded out. I'm not used to Makarios actually answering questions.<br />I realise I know nothing about what you believe, except that you hate atheists. <br />So while you are answering questions, I better ask some quick ones - <br />What kind of creationist are you? Young earth, old earth, gap?<br />What branch of Christianity do you belong to?<br />Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran, etc?<br />How did you come to choose this branch? <br />How old do you believe our universe to be?<br />How old do you believe the earth to be?<br />And the human race?<br />Are you a Bible literalist?Chris Mackeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05959441215025867286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-81456260129354097152009-12-03T15:11:07.117-08:002009-12-03T15:11:07.117-08:00Natural selection, acting on random variations or ...Natural selection, acting on random variations or what some call helpful mutations mimic the effects of intelligence, even though the mechanism is entirely blind, impersonal and undirected. <br /><br />Darwin was not the first to posit this idea but he is best recognised as the person who explained an alternate explanation for the complexity of living organisms. <br /><br />TAM? would you like to speak for yourself. Or do you want Chris to speak on your behalf.Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-55207425870149317712009-12-03T14:24:53.830-08:002009-12-03T14:24:53.830-08:00Makarios, what's you understanding of evolutio...Makarios, what's you understanding of evolution by natural selection? How did it come about? Any idea?Chris Mackeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05959441215025867286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-69924506698613478112009-12-03T11:18:24.235-08:002009-12-03T11:18:24.235-08:00TAM what's you understanding of Intelligen Des...TAM what's you understanding of Intelligen Design? How did it come about? Any idea?Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-79081083658936541022009-12-03T04:44:28.195-08:002009-12-03T04:44:28.195-08:00Note to cretards (and Mak): "The ultimate tes...Note to cretards (and <b>Mak</b>): "The ultimate test of a theory is when it predicts hitherto unobserved events": Paul Mealing (aka Journeyman Philosopher). Paul has posted here in the past but I believe he now boycotts this site on the basis that it retards one's mental abilities.<br /><br />There is an easy way to disprove the fact of evolution. Just find <b>one</b> fossil in the wrong layer of rock (for example, one single Cambrian rabbit fossil). Oh ... you can't find one? I guess the fossils must have been placed there by Satan to mislead us. What's your explanation <b>Mak</b>?<br /><br />I always find it amusing that those who doubt the "theory" of evolution are unwilling to doubt gravitational theory by jumping off a cliff.The Atheist Missionaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07191035196328725888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-36712330079440880662009-12-02T19:06:21.684-08:002009-12-02T19:06:21.684-08:00Oh, and I don't believe that HALF my quotes ar...Oh, and I don't believe that HALF my quotes are wrong. There might be a word here and there that hinders a google type search but the message I give is the message I received.Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-65535132217318773922009-12-02T18:56:26.103-08:002009-12-02T18:56:26.103-08:00When I read a book and see something I like I writ...When I read a book and see something I like I write it down in a document called - yep, you guessed it - quotes. As you've noted, I probably shouldn't call it quotes. I have a pretty low "good enough" threshold. I'm definitely not a detail person. In fact, for years I didn't even keep track of the citations. However, atheists seem to go nuts over stuff like that so some day I might get the authors and their words and the sources somewhat close to correct. <br /><br />But don't hold your breath. If I get it close, that's good enough <br />for me and since it's my blog . . .Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-14356899081940977782009-12-02T17:42:48.884-08:002009-12-02T17:42:48.884-08:00Doh, click the picture to make it big enough to re...Doh, click the picture to make it big enough to read.Chris Mackeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05959441215025867286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-50666247526014336962009-12-02T17:42:04.027-08:002009-12-02T17:42:04.027-08:00I've noticed this.
I google everything he quot...I've noticed this.<br />I google everything he quotes and have done this for a couple of weeks.<br />HALF the time Mak quotes an athiest or a scientist, Mak's site is the only source Google finds.<br /><br />I've take a screenshot<br />http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=io3yic&s=6<br /><br />So I don't know if he has a source or he is the source.Chris Mackeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05959441215025867286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-86645604651980733792009-12-02T17:16:24.939-08:002009-12-02T17:16:24.939-08:00I'm more interested in the obvious fact that t...I'm more interested in the obvious fact that the "quotes" are not taken from any actual understanding of non-theistic scholarship, but are instead coming from some bastardized source which is evidently altering them to suit their arguments. That does seem to be in character for religious people.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-23312572168513906712009-12-02T15:54:31.903-08:002009-12-02T15:54:31.903-08:00No, I'm actually interested in a textual criti...No, I'm actually interested in a textual criticism point of view.<br />It's been a short period of time, we have electronic copying methods <b>and we have the original texts</b> yet still the text is evolving. I'm interested in how this happens.<br />I've noticed that Makarios quotes of atheists are often quite different from the original texts.Gorth Satanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778005789604262673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-7129798166612700512009-12-02T15:22:26.044-08:002009-12-02T15:22:26.044-08:00Christianized Quotes Unlimited, a subsidiary of Fo...Christianized Quotes Unlimited, a subsidiary of Fox News.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-45454505056421157682009-12-02T14:50:38.147-08:002009-12-02T14:50:38.147-08:00Okay, I have to ask.
Where do you get your quote...Okay, I have to ask. <br />Where do you get your quotes from?<br />I just checked more and the quotes are also incorrect.<br />Are you paraphrasing from memory?Gorth Satanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778005789604262673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-77320239683042464402009-12-02T14:43:05.512-08:002009-12-02T14:43:05.512-08:00I have a copy of the Blind Watchmaker in front of ...I have a copy of the Blind Watchmaker in front of me.<br />You've got the first quote wrong.<br /><br /><br />The closest to second quote is on page 287. (It's on why Darwinian evolution is true instead of the other ideas of evolution)<br /><br /><i>The obvious way to decide between rival theories is to examine the<br />evidence. Lamarckian types of theory, for instance, are traditionally<br />rejected - and rightly so - because no good evidence for them has ever<br />been found (not for want of energetic trying, in some cases by zealots<br />prepared to fake evidence). In this chapter I shall take a different tack,<br />largely because so many other books have examined the evidence and<br />concluded in favour of Darwinism. Instead of examining the evidence<br />for and against rival theories, I shall adopt a more armchair approach.<br />My argument will be that Darwinism is the only known theory that is<br />in principle capable of explaining certain aspects of life. <b>If I am right it means that, even if there were no actual evidence in favour of the Darwinian theory (there is, of course) we should still be justified in preferring it over all rival theories.</b></i>Gorth Satanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03778005789604262673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-27108160301408029142009-12-02T11:17:04.394-08:002009-12-02T11:17:04.394-08:00Whoa whoa, lets not get carried away. This isn'...Whoa whoa, lets not get carried away. This isn't the Ivy League...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-2019404058510370472009-12-02T10:48:06.950-08:002009-12-02T10:48:06.950-08:00Oh my! C+ at least :-)Oh my! C+ at least :-)Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-7472557554572837452009-12-02T10:37:36.704-08:002009-12-02T10:37:36.704-08:00Give me a C- for effort. It was 7amGive me a C- for effort. It was 7amAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-91025168767379278022009-12-02T08:12:39.858-08:002009-12-02T08:12:39.858-08:00I understand what you're saying Ginx, and much...I understand what you're saying Ginx, and much of what I write is tongue in cheek, but yours is a pretty uninformed comment.Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4764946987133813099.post-59579935347513485122009-12-02T07:02:44.321-08:002009-12-02T07:02:44.321-08:00I will never understand why religious people, who ...I will never understand why religious people, who rely on faith, will trip over themselves trying to "prove" that science is anything but our best guess, and that these best guesses have provided the means for our technological explosion. Results, Mak, results. <br /><br />Religion's results: years of casting out demons with no increase in life expectancy. <br />Science's results: a steady stream of progress measured concretely.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.com